God exists? Yes? or No?

[GREENSARGE]

Ok, I am a proud catholic person, but based on the reality we live in and have always lived in compared to what we have concluded God to be and is. I am having strong doubts of God's existence. Hear me out, the first really strong argument that comes to mind is that God is considered all knowing, all loving, and all powerful. Now here is the problem with that:

1) Evil exists, therefore either god is not all powerful because evil exists or God is not all loving.

2) We as Christians believe that we are made in the image of God, but how is that possible because of all the horrible things we do to one another.( you know them )

3) God is all knowing, so that means that their is no free will, but we as humans have determined that we do intact have free will. Now is that truly free will or an illusion of free will?

Based on those, I'm having great doubts that God does not exist, and that people are just taking the easy way out to explain things that they do not have an answer to by saying its the work of an all powerful, all knowing being.

My answer: God does not exist.

[Sarai]

Oh jeez, one convert and a huge religious debate.

Okay.



1) Evil exists to test humanity. Evil is not caused by God rather by the Devil.
God is all-loving, and willing to forgive and give you multiple chances.


2) I'am Catholic also, the image of God refers to the way he first designed humans in Genesis i.e BEFORE the fruit of sin was consumed by the "first two humans".
It's just after that the human image became perverse and became violent that can be said it led us to the present day.


3) God doesn't interfere. In olden times he did, but that was because humans needed to be guided with dire need. He gave us free will.
He did not
a) Program us to be barbie dolls and say "I love you"
every time he asked us wether we believe in Him with faith.
b) He actually, and literally gave us the choice of wether or not to follow him.

Free will is defined by the "human willingness to participate or do."
It is not an illusion.

You can have doubts, I have doubts, everyone infact has doubts of the existence of God or any diety.
Doubt is not a sin. It is another test for the spiritual life such as your "Evil."

[Strelok12]

Whoever said that Goodness exists,is an idiot.

Where on planet Earth,where there is no good except evil and stupidity.

[Sarai]

Whoever said that Goodness exists,is an idiot.

Where on planet Earth,where there is no good except evil and stupidity.

No good? Are you serious?
Throughout the history of mankind, there have been turmoil and violence with
people, commoners, and others who have repeatedly shown good acts.
It is ignorance that breeds evil and stupidity, Strelok.

[GREENSARGE]

Oh jeez, one convert and a huge religious debate.

Okay.



1) Evil exists to test humanity. Evil is not caused by God rather by the Devil.
God is all-loving, and willing to forgive and give you multiple chances.


2) I'am Catholic also, the image of God refers to the way he first designed humans in Genesis i.e BEFORE the fruit of sin was consumed by the "first two humans".
It's just after that the human image became perverse and became violent that can be said it led us to the present day.


3) God doesn't interfere. In olden times he did, but that was because humans needed to be guided with dire need. He gave us free will.
He did not
a) Program us to be barbie dolls and say "I love you"
every time he asked us wether we believe in Him with faith.
b) He actually, and literally gave us the choice of wether or not to follow him.

Free will is defined by the "human willingness to participate or do."
It is not an illusion.

You can have doubts, I have doubts, everyone infact has doubts of the existence of God or any diety.
Doubt is not a sin. It is another test for the spiritual life such as your "Evil."


1) If God is all powerful and all loving why would he need the devils help to test us?

2) Good point

3) How can we have free will over anything if God is all Knowing. past present and future

It is not free will if someone knows what we are going to do before we do.

[Strelok12]

No good? Are you serious?
Throughout the history of mankind, there have been turmoil and violence with
people, commoners, and others who have repeatedly shown good acts.
It is ignorance that breeds evil and stupidity, Strelok.

Those are no good acts,they should be considered "Respectful acts".

Because everyone respects a person that does those acts,right?

"Besides were animals,we eat,we crap,we drink,we have sex,we interact,etc and we are the dumbest people on Earth just like every animal." -Dreth

[Sarai]

1) If God is all powerful and all loving why would he need the devils help to test us?

2) Good point

3) How can we have free will over anything if God is all Knowing. past present and future

It is not free will if someone knows what we are going to do before we do.

1) The Devil is an interesting part of the 'religious story', it helps God to find out wether Man is truly faithful to His word or not. In the book of Job, God uses Satan to test Job as he takes away his wealth, family, and everything he had in life, and the whole point of it was wether or not to find Job had true faith or not and he succeeds.In simple terms, the devil is a tool to be used against mankind to TEST faith.

3) Okay. God does not interfere. He forsees what you will do.
Has he ever interfered in your life on the daily decisions you will make?
You cannot kill free will just by simply knowing what will happen and not tell that person. Then that would change the course of things.
But to rather avoid the whole time paradox explanation, let us just stick to:
God knows what you might/will do, it's just up to you to make that choice.

[GREENSARGE]

No good? Are you serious?
Throughout the history of mankind, there have been turmoil and violence with
people, commoners, and others who have repeatedly shown good acts.
It is ignorance that breeds evil and stupidity, Strelok.



without evil there would be no definition or concept of good. For example running into a burning house to save somone is an act of good. In any other situation without a need for an act for good to be done it would be considered stupid and retarded.

there is an extremely fine line between stupidity and courageousness. Evil is the line which separates the two and makes it possible for courageousness to exist as a good act.

[greb]

Sorry, religious debates are no longer welcome at pawn.

We have tried many times, and every single time it has ended up a massive failure.

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