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Ryuk
12-01-2008, 05:06 AM
Debate topic(Abortion)

This is by far the most controversial issue to date(in the U.S.A. at least). People are severely divided by this topic. Personally, what is your stance on this issue.

Key Questions:1. At what point do people gain the rights that every normal person deserves?

Note:I'm not going to go as far as saying no flaming, but make sure your arguments have good evidence to back up your claims.

DariuS
12-01-2008, 05:08 AM
dont put ur snake into the scary hole and it would never...i mean never come down to it.

deathrogue
12-01-2008, 09:05 AM
To me, abortion is cruel. Basically it tells me that the woman becomes pregnant for no apparent reason which leads to abortion.

1. Because they won't be able to take care of it.

2. Because they don't want it.

There are many other reasons why they choose to abort but I just can't think of them because to me those are the main 2 reasons.

If they don't want it, then simply give birth to it, and send it to an orphanage. Same thing if you can't take care of it. What they don't understand is that Babies are human beings, human beings have lives... Would if they were the aborted baby? How would they feel? Now you or they are probably going so say something similar to this, "They wouldn't know you aborted them". Well I still believe it's wrong, you're wasting precious life and if that person did abort, you waste your own life.

StreetX2
12-01-2008, 09:28 AM
I say eggs are chicken abortions, and still everyone eats them. People aren't going to change abortions. That is the mothers job to do, and it is also her opinion.

Do i agree with abortions? No, I do not. Why? I consider it muder, a homicide to the baby.

CMD1
12-01-2008, 10:20 AM
Abortion is murder. I think the only way you can get one is is the mother is in danger of dieing from the baby.

UreOnMyHitList
12-01-2008, 10:23 AM
if your raped, molested, or its incest then ya an abortion is ok
but if your 14 -15 years old out there being a lil hoe an you get knocked up then NO you don't deserve an abortion.

thats what i think

poe101591
12-01-2008, 10:32 AM
if your raped, molested, or its incest then ya an abortion is ok
but if your 14 -15 years old out there being a lil hoe an you get knocked up then NO you don't deserve an abortion.

thats what i think

you get a C section, then you get to show all your friends the awesome new scare, then every one will want one D:!

Hamzter
12-01-2008, 11:21 AM
I say eggs are chicken abortions, and still everyone eats them. People aren't going to change abortions. That is the mothers job to do, and it is also her opinion.

Do i agree with abortions? No, I do not. Why? I consider it muder, a homicide to the baby.

eggs that you eat are just eggs that arnt fetilised, its like a chickens period....

im pro abortion, the natural thing is that when we have sex, women get pregnant.

if so then why the hell people use condoms...

its the same thing...

maggerz
12-01-2008, 12:19 PM
Well in my opinion, it's mainly for hoes who are so cheap they can't even buy a condom, and for those stupid little stereotyped blondes who don't want to lose their "looks".
I say it depends on the situation. I mean, if you get raped or something like that, it's ok, but your some ***** who just doesn't seem to care about her life, she deserves to be hanged, not barred from abortion.

Eiliosdraye
12-01-2008, 05:24 PM
I think it's an awful evil thing to do, but I also think it's up to a parent to decide what's best for them. What if they can't afford to raise a child?

LooZr66
12-01-2008, 06:16 PM
eggs that you eat are just eggs that arnt fetilised

i think thats the point hes trying to get across...abortions a killing unborn babies...like the baby chicks?

KyubiNaruto
12-01-2008, 06:30 PM
people have these rights, and the person carrying the baby has the right because it is hers.

NOTE: a fetus is NOT a human being until it can sustain life on its own, its really just a parasite, and the definition of parasite is something that feeds off a host, in this case the mother.

she has the right to do what she wants with her body, this benifits rape victims, and that people can argue that the mother doesnt want to have a baby because she doesnt want to grow up with a bad life or for it not to be orphaned, because about 25-70% of orphans go to jail for some kind of crime.

Chickletman
12-01-2008, 06:34 PM
I'm ProChoice

Not that I would want to have a child by a girl I got pregnant aborted, but since I'm a guy I'll let the female decide

BoomSticker
12-01-2008, 06:53 PM
The only reason god wanted sex is to make and care for the baby not make it live in a orphanage... Next time just buy a damn condom!

Twilly
12-01-2008, 08:15 PM
I'm guessing your all guys. I'm a guy too. But I've also had a pregnancy test, I got the pregnancy test blood test, not pee on a stick. So I've been closer to what this is about than most of anyone on pawn. (LOL..I'm being serious too)

Anyhow, a fetus isn't alive, its not gonna turn into a ghosty fetus and haunt you. An abortion is a good thing. It prevents more mouths to feed. Less world hunger, because in a world with the growing of less resources we can't afford to feed more mouths. And abortion is the woman's choice, not yours or mine.

troll
12-01-2008, 08:26 PM
What about the women that get raped by big black men? Are they supposed to have the child and pretend nothing happened?

What about women who are predicted to have complications?

My mother was supposed to abort me because I was her second child planned to be a C-section. She risked her life to even have me.

xPsychopathx
12-01-2008, 08:30 PM
What about the women that get raped by big black men? Are they supposed to have the child and pretend nothing happened?

What about women who are predicted to have complications?

My mother was supposed to abort me because I was her second child planned to be a C-section. She risked her life to even have me.
A bit racist are we?

duh13
12-01-2008, 08:30 PM
I think teen girls should be able to do what ever the heck they want.

Jel44
12-01-2008, 08:41 PM
I'm ProChoice

Not that I would want to have a child by a girl I got pregnant aborted, but since I'm a guy I'll let the female decide
Yeah I'm also with this, it's the womens choice if she wants it or not, I'll let her decide.


What about women who are predicted to have complications?

My mother was supposed to abort me because I was her second child planned to be a C-section. She risked her life to even have me.

Whoa ,_, why was it a risk? problems with her reproductive or whatever it's called system?

whitelighting
12-01-2008, 09:12 PM
if your raped, molested, or its incest then ya an abortion is ok
but if your 14 -15 years old out there being a lil hoe an you get knocked up then NO you don't deserve an abortion.

thats what i think
that is my feelings 2

vSkyzv
12-01-2008, 09:14 PM
dont put ur snake into the scary hole and it would never...i mean never come down to it.
What if the mother was raped?

UreOnMyHitList
12-01-2008, 09:19 PM
you get a C section, then you get to show all your friends the awesome new scare, then every one will want one D:!

silly poe, then we will have more dirty lil girls out there

Calisniper13
12-01-2008, 09:21 PM
I am pro-abortion to be honest. There are too many damn people on this planet as it is. If the mother does not want the baby, then let it be aborted instead of becoming a possible "dumpster baby". Which is worse? Killing the parasitic fetus, or a newborn baby? I don't really care why they want the abortion, whether it be a reason from rape to just not wanting one. We have a choice because we can think. Fetuses can't think, so they don't get a choice.

Just a man's opinion.

LooZr66
12-01-2008, 09:45 PM
well i think so far im the only lady to be post in here...

i still think abortions are up to the mother....the "father" doesnt know what the mother is gonna have to go through, and what if the guy ends up leaving her? they had sex for a reason....

lets us do what we want!!!

Killah
12-01-2008, 09:46 PM
Half the teens in the U.S. sleep together without protection for pleasure.
They could careless about the baby being formed.
It's cruel, evil, just plain stupid.

Ryuk
12-01-2008, 10:03 PM
But isn't abortion murder? Even though the fetus is it's mother's possession, it shouldn't mean that she can just abort it at will. It's like your mother saying that you are her possession and she can murder you if she wants to.

Calisniper13
12-01-2008, 10:05 PM
But isn't abortion murder? Even though the fetus is it's mother's possession, it shouldn't mean that she can just abort it at will. It's like your mother saying that you are her possession and she can murder you if she wants to.

It's not murder. The fetus is not alive. This topic all depends on perspective more than anything.

Balmung
12-01-2008, 10:06 PM
Keep abortion legal. That is all.

Ryuk
12-01-2008, 10:10 PM
It's not murder. The fetus is not alive. This topic all depends on perspective more than anything.
Bacteria, which are some of the smallest lifeforms around, are considered alive. If bacteria are considered "alive" than it is common sense that fetuses are also.

Killah
12-01-2008, 10:14 PM
If the parents aren't gonna take care of the baby,
Put it up for adoption.

Calisniper13
12-01-2008, 10:16 PM
Bacteria, which are some of the smallest lifeforms around, are considered alive. If bacteria are considered "alive" than it is common sense that fetuses are also.

Bacteria are considered alive for the fact they are. Fetuses are not, because they aren't. Common sense.

Souless
12-01-2008, 10:16 PM
abortion, scariest thing ever. Thank god im here and not aborted. Stupid GWB let abortion happen. Obama in the making isnt gonna let the last cener of abortion in I think it is Michigan to be in business. Go obama!

Calisniper13
12-01-2008, 10:41 PM
abortion, scariest thing ever. Thank god im here and not aborted. Stupid GWB let abortion happen. Obama in the making isnt gonna let the last cener of abortion in I think it is Michigan to be in business. Go obama!

Obama has more important things to worry about that abortion.

Dylan
12-01-2008, 11:03 PM
Obama has more important things to worry about that abortion.
Yup, because raising taxes is 40% more needed than preventing killing of unborn children of degenerate teenage "promiscuous" chicks.

Ryuk
12-01-2008, 11:04 PM
Yup, because raising taxes is 40% more needed than preventing killing of unborn children of degenerate teenage "promiscuous" chicks.
Oh, btw, abortion is handled by the state government, not the national government.

troll
12-01-2008, 11:33 PM
A bit racist are we?
What are you smoking?

TjHooker
12-01-2008, 11:39 PM
i think condoms should be considered as a form as "pre"-abortion. also another form of that is knowing when to pull out.

other than that, teh right to abortion should stay, or be a state's power.

- Jake http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/Rob_Zombie/rockon.gif

Hamo
12-01-2008, 11:42 PM
Abortion sucks if you dont think you could have a kid have safe secks jesus. Some people these days are dumb.

Also if you do don't get an abortion put it up for adoption or a childrens home until your able to look after it properly.

Timeline
12-01-2008, 11:46 PM
Abortion sucks if you dont think you could have a kid have safe secks jesus. Some people these days are dumb.

Also if you do don't get an abortion put it up for adoption or a childrens home until your able to look after it properly.

so, so true

DariuS
12-01-2008, 11:50 PM
What about the women that get raped by big black men? Are they supposed to have the child and pretend nothing happened?

What about women who are predicted to have complications?

My mother was supposed to abort me because I was her second child planned to be a C-section. She risked her life to even have me.

I smell a redneck.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Calisniper13
12-02-2008, 01:47 AM
Yup, because raising taxes is 40% more needed than preventing killing of unborn children of degenerate teenage "promiscuous" chicks.

I give a care about what he does to taxes, they would have been raised with McCain too, but that's beside the point, this is not about taxes...I'm talking about this pit stain of an economy, and general BS around the world. Who cares what some trick in Montana decides to do with her unborn baby. The general welfare of the country is top priority.

IrishDragon1234
12-02-2008, 04:59 PM
Abortion isn't justifiable in any situation. People who say its ok if you get raped are ignoring the main point of abortion that makes it such a big topic, "at what point after sex is the child considered a living being". How the pregnancy came about makes no difference in the rights of the child.


The most common opinion amongst people with a sense of decency is that the child is a living being with rights at the moment of conception. And just because a girl got raped doesn't give her the right to murder her child just to get out of going through the birth procedure. And after the child is born, you can always put him/her up for adoption.

Plus, even when someone makes the disgusting decision to have an abortion, they usually feel terrible about it afterward and go the rest of their lives feeling ashamed of themselves. Sometimes there are a few scumbags who never regret the abortion, but luckily there aren't a lot of those sort of dirt around.

troll
12-02-2008, 05:06 PM
I smell a redneck.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
How the hell am I a redneck?

I smell and ignorant child.

deathrogue
12-02-2008, 05:07 PM
I say eggs are chicken abortions, and still everyone eats them. People aren't going to change abortions. That is the mothers job to do, and it is also her opinion.

Do i agree with abortions? No, I do not. Why? I consider it muder, a homicide to the baby.


Looks like you don't know your facts... We eat unfertilized eggs. Now, female chickens or any type of bird can lay an egg somehow with out mating. The egg however, has nothing inside, it's unfertilized so all it has is yoke. It's not really abortion for chickens because they are unfertilized and there is nothing inside of it. There are some places where they actually sell fertilized eggs. Ever noticed how you crack a boiled egg, you only see the cooked yoke, the yellow part. But if it was fertilized, you would somehow find something shaped like a cooked baby chick.

robodestructo
12-02-2008, 05:15 PM
In my opinio, abortion is complete evil, I feel that the nobody has the right to abort, even if you are the kids parent.... nobody should have the right to decide whether a new person should enter the world or not

OmegaLemming
12-02-2008, 05:57 PM
Hmm Abortion.. this is a tough subject with many facets.

Here's how I see things logically:

- If the abortion is done early you are killing a Zygote, which is just a fertilized egg. Zygotes by the way cannot feel any pain, they haven't developed nerves yet.
- Instead of rallying behind abortion, we should try to either practice safe sex or try to control ourselves better. (Which is hard to define) The human race is populating out of control, regardless of abortion or not.
- Politicians and lawmakers are mostly older males. Women have varying views on abortion themselves, but in the end they should get a chance to decide.
- Proven fact: Abortion was carried out by primitive humans when a group was overpopulated, however this was when hunter-gatherers were the mainstay of the group.
- The rich could fly out of the country and get abortions easily, seeing that world views on abortion differ.
- Teenage pregnancy is probably the worst it's ever been. A lot of these teenagers choose abortion as a way out, incredibly controversial (and I'm personally against) chance of relying on abortion.

These are just a few facts. I'm personally divided on this issue.


Special situations where abortion should definately be allowed:
Rape Victims
Birth defects
Dangerous situations to mother
etc(would type more, but gtg)

Almost forgot about those, those are fundamental grounds for abortion.

guitarguy
12-02-2008, 05:59 PM
Pro-choice.

A fetus does not exhibit the 6 biological themes of life. Its cells do, but it as a whole does not, therefore the fetus is not alive, therefore it is not murder.

Also:
World population is too high
Emotional stress brought on by pregnancy
Physcial stress brought on by pregnancy

Special situations where abortion should definately be allowed:
Rape Victims
Birth defects
Dangerous situations to mother
etc(would type more, but gtg)

foot1221
12-02-2008, 06:38 PM
Pro-choice.

First of all, what gives us the right to tell a woman "No, you gotta go have that baby. I don't really care about how you feel. Please just STFU and have the baby." Pro-choice doesn't mean Pro-abort-every-baby, it means let the mother decide.

I understand where the Pro-life people are coming from, but some of the reasons they give just sound kinda dumb.

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It's crule
Go watch a video of the inside of a slaughter house. The human race (in North America, anyway) is far beyond cruel.

Abortion is murder.
How so? In my opinion, all you are doing is, you are not allowing the child to develope to the point where it can live on its own. Sounds similar to the function of a condom and birth control pill.

The parents feel terrible afterwards
Which is their own fault, last time I checked. Although, that would mean the parents are unlikely to get another abortion. Since they believe abortion to no longer be an option, they'll start making better decisions about how they have sex.

Only hoes get abortions, and they don't deserve it
Would you rather force the hoe to have the baby, and then raise it to be either the next big hoe, or the next trigger-happy gangster?

Not to mention, these hoe's your referring to usually have a nice palette of STDs. I feel sorry for the doctor who has to tell the child that (s)he has HIV and will die an early death. That is assuming that someone does tell him/her. It would be even better if the child grew up and infected some of his/her class mates.

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The only real valid point, in my opinion, is this:

you can always put him/her up for adoption.
The only problem with this option is that, how will the child feel? Once the fetus grows up enough to actually think and have feelings, how will (s)he react to knowing his/her parents wanted to get rid of him/her?

Other than that, we already have enough homeless children in adoption centers. We really don't need to be forcing people to add even more.

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I think one big problem with Pro-Lifer's is that they don't fully realize Pro-Choice means we're letting the mother decide.

If a mother is dead set against not having a child, it's not like you can stop her from aborting. I'd rather have people getting abortions safely in a clinic rather than having her boy friend beat her up / throw her down the stairs.

Chickletman
12-02-2008, 06:48 PM
abortion, scariest thing ever. Thank god im here and not aborted. Stupid GWB let abortion happen. Obama in the making isnt gonna let the last cener of abortion in I think it is Michigan to be in business. Go obama!

I believe Obama is Pro-Choice

alvandmonkey
12-02-2008, 07:02 PM
I thinkt hat abortion is horrible!!!
You are taking away a life.
I think it is murder.
And also if you use safety they will never have to have abortion.

lilcuriousdude7
12-02-2008, 07:07 PM
Abortion isn't justifiable in any situation. People who say its ok if you get raped are ignoring the main point of abortion that makes it such a big topic, "at what point after sex is the child considered a living being". How the pregnancy came about makes no difference in the rights of the child.


The most common opinion amongst people with a sense of decency is that the child is a living being with rights at the moment of conception. And just because a girl got raped doesn't give her the right to murder her child just to get out of going through the birth procedure. And after the child is born, you can always put him/her up for adoption.

Plus, even when someone makes the disgusting decision to have an abortion, they usually feel terrible about it afterward and go the rest of their lives feeling ashamed of themselves. Sometimes there are a few scumbags who never regret the abortion, but luckily there aren't a lot of those sort of dirt around.

u have a point about of just giving up the child to adoption but then again that system we all know can be pretty bad on a kid would that really be rite? and the mother then still has to go through all of the pain of birth giving and then after giving away a child could then just live in fear of that she gave birth to the man who raped her.....

How the hell am I a redneck?

I smell and ignorant child.

LMAO it always seems that darius always says somethin stupid :D

Hmm Abortion.. this is a tough subject with many facets.

Here's how I see things logically:

- If the abortion is done early you are killing a Zygote, which is just a fertilized egg. Zygotes by the way cannot feel any pain, they haven't developed nerves yet.
- Instead of rallying behind abortion, we should try to either practice safe sex or try to control ourselves better. (Which is hard to define) The human race is populating out of control, regardless of abortion or not.
- Politicians and lawmakers are mostly older males. Women have varying views on abortion themselves, but in the end they should get a chance to decide.
- Proven fact: Abortion was carried out by primitive humans when a group was overpopulated, however this was when hunter-gatherers were the mainstay of the group.
- The rich could fly out of the country and get abortions easily, seeing that world views on abortion differ.
- Teenage pregnancy is probably the worst it's ever been. A lot of these teenagers choose abortion as a way out, incredibly controversial (and I'm personally against) chance of relying on abortion.

These are just a few facts. I'm personally divided on this issue.



Almost forgot about those, those are fundamental grounds for abortion.

nice facts :D

Pro-choice.

A fetus does not exhibit the 6 biological themes of life. Its cells do, but it as a whole does not, therefore the fetus is not alive, therefore it is not murder.

Also:
World population is too high
Emotional stress brought on by pregnancy
Physcial stress brought on by pregnancy

Special situations where abortion should definately be allowed:
Rape Victims
Birth defects
Dangerous situations to mother
etc(would type more, but gtg)

hmmm it seems that everything has exceptions...abortion should really depend on the situation of the pregenancy..ex rape,complications etc..

Mexamerican
12-02-2008, 08:07 PM
I Think Abortion Is Just Wrong They Should Atleast Just Have The Baby and Put It Up For Adoption If They Cant Take Care Of Them

Calisniper13
12-02-2008, 08:25 PM
And also if you use safety they will never have to have abortion.

A.Broken condom
B.The pill is 99% effective.
C.Rape? There is no safety there

Plus, even when someone makes the disgusting decision to have an abortion, they usually feel terrible about it afterward and go the rest of their lives feeling ashamed of themselves. Sometimes there are a few scumbags who never regret the abortion, but luckily there aren't a lot of those sort of dirt around.

I know a lot of people who have had abortions and never give it a second thought later.


Everyone says "Oh adoption" like everyone in the world is going and adopting these kids. Only a lucky few get adopted, the rest stay in those crappy adoption places until they are 18. Then they are thrown out.

poe101591
12-02-2008, 08:37 PM
silly poe, then we will have more dirty lil girls out there

but but D:
saying you had a C section is so much cooler then saying you had a abortion :eek:

Balmung
12-02-2008, 08:42 PM
I thinkt hat abortion is horrible!!!
You are taking away a life.
I think it is murder.
And also if you use safety they will never have to have abortion.

No, you're stopping life, not killing anything. It's like not having sex. By being a virgin, you prevent life.

Ryuk
12-02-2008, 09:56 PM
A.Broken condom
B.The pill is 99% effective.
C.Rape? There is no safety there



I know a lot of people who have had abortions and never give it a second thought later.


Everyone says "Oh adoption" like everyone in the world is going and adopting these kids. Only a lucky few get adopted, the rest stay in those crappy adoption places until they are 18. Then they are thrown out.
Well, I would rather grow up there instead of being....killed.

niceguyeddie
12-02-2008, 10:14 PM
I have a great idea, Now listen for the idea to work properly we need these republicans out of the white house (Check!), Ok listen-

Lets start reteaching safe, protected, sex in public schools as apposed to the idea of pre-marital abstience that has been failing long before the nineteenth century.

And after all, dead babys can't grow up to be soldiers in "Conflicts" for "Peace" in countries that they will never learn the name of because of the charter school systems that will succecfully abolish education for lowclass familys.

Oh wait I forgot Republicans WONT be in the white house for the next few years.

THANK GOD FOR DEMOCRATS!

VietnamNut
12-02-2008, 10:39 PM
I have a great idea, Now listen for the idea to work properly we need these republicans out of the white house (Check!), Ok listen-

Lets start reteaching safe, protected, sex in public schools as apposed to the idea of pre-marital abstience that has been failing long before the nineteenth century.

And after all, dead babys can't grow up to be soldiers in "Conflicts" for "Peace" in countries that they will never learn the name of because of the charter school systems that will succecfully abolish education for lowclass familys.

Oh wait I forgot Republicans WONT be in the white house for the next few years.

THANK GOD FOR DEMOCRATS!Yea democrats are the brakes for the republicans, (means they're the balance of power neat huh?),but no My morals don't believe in abortion and neither do I. I just not fair to the baby, its not his fault :(

niceguyeddie
12-02-2008, 11:12 PM
Lets not wait until abortion is our only choice,

Think like a democrat- Use Protection.

guitarguy
12-02-2008, 11:17 PM
Yea democrats are the brakes for the republicans, (means they're the balance of power neat huh?),but no My morals don't believe in abortion and neither do I. I just not fair to the baby, its not his fault :(

How's it unfair to the baby? The baby doesn't even know it exists yet, and it feels no pain. What's unfair to a baby is being born in a home where the situation is awful, like is the case with a lot of would-be babies. Such as lack of a dad, abusive parents, drug addicted mom, poor, bad adoption, born with diseases, fetal alcohol syndrome, etc.

BladeXI
12-03-2008, 12:00 AM
For me Abortion is just wrong *But thats just my opinion*, but yea abortion just basically kills life, but for some people they think an embroyo is considered life :/.

Ryuk
12-03-2008, 12:15 AM
How's it unfair to the baby? The baby doesn't even know it exists yet, and it feels no pain. What's unfair to a baby is being born in a home where the situation is awful, like is the case with a lot of would-be babies. Such as lack of a dad, abusive parents, drug addicted mom, poor, bad adoption, born with diseases, fetal alcohol syndrome, etc.
Well, would death be a better alternative? The baby has absolutely no say in the matter.

xBuddahx
12-03-2008, 12:37 AM
How's it unfair to the baby? The baby doesn't even know it exists yet, and it feels no pain. What's unfair to a baby is being born in a home where the situation is awful, like is the case with a lot of would-be babies. Such as lack of a dad, abusive parents, drug addicted mom, poor, bad adoption, born with diseases, fetal alcohol syndrome, etc.

1) Where is your study that babies have no consciousness. Hell babies have a fully formed heart after a few weeks, and a few weeks after that a fully functioning human brain. Your argument on abortion based on the fact that the baby doesn't know it exists is not only flawed, it has no factual base what so ever.

2) There's a little thing called adoption. If you can't raise your kids send them to an adoption agency. It has the same outcome without the depression, regret, and yes, suicidal tendencies of a number of abortion patients.

xBuddahx
12-03-2008, 12:39 AM
Well, would death be a better alternative? The baby has absolutely no say in the matter.

Ok what if your parents say that they need to kill you right now because it's "not right" and "death is a better alternative" to raising you fully. After all, you're still not fully developed. With your logic your parents should be free to kill you right now. I mean it's the "Parents right" to kill their kid after all.

OGCrookedO
12-03-2008, 12:53 AM
Well, would death be a better alternative? The baby has absolutely no say in the matter.

The baby can't talk from the womb <.< Lolsecks

Puppet
12-03-2008, 01:00 AM
An unborn baby wouldnt survive unless in a controled environment or in the mothers womb. The baby is yet to develope feelings and emotions, if an abortion is to be made, i think itd be better if it was made before the baby actually begins to develope an understanding :o

niceguyeddie
12-03-2008, 07:48 AM
I still think it shouldnt take until the child is in the womans womb to decide if you want it or not.

Hamzter
12-03-2008, 10:36 AM
condoms are prevension of life, so is abortion, it technically isnt living yet

heres something to cheer all the people i have just depressed
http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Matt/depressing-abortion.png

guitarguy
12-03-2008, 05:25 PM
1) Where is your study that babies have no consciousness. Hell babies have a fully formed heart after a few weeks, and a few weeks after that a fully functioning human brain. Your argument on abortion based on the fact that the baby doesn't know it exists is not only flawed, it has no factual base what so ever.

2) There's a little thing called adoption. If you can't raise your kids send them to an adoption agency. It has the same outcome without the depression, regret, and yes, suicidal tendencies of a number of abortion patients.

By contrast, one might argue that a fetus is not a person until higher level brain functions present. Only when higher level brain functions are present does one have the ability to form language and perform logical deductions. Elements that are often attributed to consciousness occur because the brain performs this higher level functions. Basic biological functions, such as breathing, occur as a result of lower level functions of the brain. It is the presence of higher level brain functions that makes a human being a person. Because higher level brain functions are not present in a fetus in the first trimester of pregnancy, it is not morally wrong to terminate the pregnancy during that period.
http://web.syr.edu/~salove/illustration.html

The fetus isn't conscious until after the first trimester, and its memory doesn't develop well enough to know its conscious for a while after anyway. So, it does not know it exists. There's your damn argument for the first stupid thing you said.

For your second 'point' I will respond with the fact that adoption agencies are not the best place to be. My mom was put up for adoption, and she hated it and personally knows how bad it can be. Let's go down the list of what I said sucked for babies being born, and see how much adoption would help them:
lack of a dad - Being put up for adoption = lack of real parents
abusive parents - Adopted to family that abusive child
drug addicted mom - Birth mom could be addicted to drugs, which affects the baby as it develops, adoption doesn't affect anything
poor - Adopted to poor family, adoption agencies aren't the richest places in the world
bad adoption - Abusive parents, criminals which have been known to adopt children and take them out of the country as slaves.
born with diseases - Adoption doesn't affect this
fetal alcohol syndrome - Adoption doesn't affect this.

Yeah, being forced to live a crappy life is a lot better than never knowing you existed in the first place, never feeling pain, and never taking up space on the world. [/sarcasm]

yingyomofo
12-03-2008, 08:54 PM
abortion...
i remember last year a freshmen in my school got pregnant
then she got an abortion 2 months later
then when she walks to her table in lunch this one guy calls her
"BABY KILLER BABY KILLER!"
so sad :(