Iraq?

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

I was just trying to see what the general census was in PawnGame over the War in Iraq.
So anyone is alowed their say as long as they have a reasonable explanation for their stance.

And your vote will not be counted without a legitimate reason.

And if a mod wants to STICKY THIS don't know why....I just think it might be a good idea

NO SPAM!!!

[vSkyzv]

I think we should keep our troops in Iraq. However Bush may not be the best commander for this. If we pullout everybody's sacrafice is in vain.

[imaloser]

i think we should get our troops out of there and i say screw bush big time no one likes him and if u do well then sorry to say this but u suck. lol

[Seleucid]

Leave them in there I got a uncle and a anut over there :p

But really leave them there what would all the lost lifes be for? Just to make the left win happy we let there causedie >.>

[vSkyzv]

i think we should get our troops out of there and i say screw bush big time no one likes him and if u do well then sorry to say this but u suck. lol

where are not talking about bush we are talking about the war. if we pullout terrorists will take over iraq. also that's just saying screw the 3k troops that died. almost everybody hates bush no doubt about that. but this is about the war. stop flip-flopping are you john kerry?

[JediLucas5]

no, for reasons of my own.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

Ok first off I want to say something. If you are going to BS or joke around dont post here. This is a serious issue and I want it to stay that way. Other then that nothing else.

And for the point of opening the debate. Ill thank HonorP00ner.

But HonorP00ner, I think you are relying too heavily on the idea that if we leave then terrorists will take over.

I DO support staying in Iraq, at least untill the Iraqi Gov't is able to pick up the slack.
The main problem with the American people is that they have forgotten about the fact that we are a country at war. Of course they will say that we are in a war now, but they are not prepared for that fact. One of these reasons is that they havn't had any reminder of this fact. How many attacks on American Soil have occured between 9/11 and now? --NONE-- (favorite quote from anit-war protestors) and that is the truth, and also the problem. Because there have been no attacks, for the most part we have forgotten what it is like for thousands of Americans to die instantaniously.

A second reason is that Americans as a generalization listen and accept what they see in the media as the absolute truth. And they don't look beyond the facts presendted to them. And the media of course is foccused on higher ratings, so they print the news that people WANT to hear. And the fact is that it is human nature to foccus on bad news over good news, which means bad news brings in higher ratings then good. Therefore the media won't report all the successes that are being made in the war, and rather foccus on how our solders are dying. And the American public foccuses on the failures and deaths of Americans, and forget that we ARE winning this war. This also was a problem in the Vietnam War where the Media began to gain more power over the public.

....more later

xxxMetallicaxxx
U.S. Army

[two11]

pull them out...


george bush cheated in '00 and is a horrible president!

idk how you people are oblivious to this....

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

pull them out...


george bush cheated in '00 and is a horrible president!

idk how you people are oblivious to this....


LOL ROFL

^^^ This guy is my point. The AVERAGE American :( wait it's good for my argument :)

[SGTMAJ202]

I voted yes because of the danger it will cause if we pull out the troops. If we pull them out.. its over for the U.S :( .We will probably be attacked by one of the middle easten countries because, pulling out the troops is like saying "we give up" or "were weak". the iraqies will then c this as an opertunity 2 gather troops and preform and attack, like 911. and what also worries me is if korria (srry if spelled wrong) knos about this, they 2 will probably bomb us because they c a weakness.I belive korria has been planing and attack with there newclear weapons all along.Dont pull out the troops!

[vSkyzv]

pull them out...


george bush cheated in '00 and is a horrible president!

idk how you people are oblivious to this....

i think we have had enough bush hatred...

look if we had al gore these would probaly happen:
- no more 2nd amendment
- no suvs (good thing though)
- we would still invade iraq
- those things that only let you have 5 sheets of toilet paper

[vSkyzv]

We haven't heard a good argument from the anti-war activists.

We have heard alot of bush hatred... (irrelevant)

[Boblmao]

i think troops should stay in both iraq and afghanistan,im not american but am english and have 1 brother in afghanistan, another going soon, if all troops are pulled, as mentioned earlier it will reveal weakness on the parts of our countries, and all that died will be in vain, people may cuss the english and americans for being in these countries but they need to remember that were there to HELP the local people of those ares, by ridding their soils of the terrorists nested there. that is all :)


May also be known as xJohanLawrencex but currently 24 hour ban lol (testing new autokick... ddnt realise it BANNED u copletely) silly me

[djsmooth]

yo if they pulled all the troops out they probly would have blown us up already and we would have been dead

[vSkyzv]

Um... I'm gonna headshot all the anti-war arguments

We are in a civil war!
What civil war? Looks like one but they are really led by terror leaders.

OMG! Strategy not working! PULL OUT!
It's only been 8 months ffs

OMFG 3k casualties.
Well if we pullout their all in vain :(

NO WMDs!
Well there are terrorists now.

"Our troops are air-raiding villages"
Prove it... You have no proof

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

What is war?

Yes we are in a war. And people die in a war. That is the most basic point today. In World Wars I & II, over 50 MILLION people died. Why did this happen? Simple fascist Italy, and the Nazi governtment in Germany. Hitler killed MILLIONS of Jews in the name of creating a master race. Us and the rest of the world saw fit to go to war with the Axis fo Evil then, and put an end to the hatred and mass murdur that was being carried out in the name of Improving the World, and ridding it of the unworthy.

My question to you is how is this different then WWII, or even WWI for that matter? The answer is that it isn't different. Today we once again have radicals, leading their followers on a warpath against anyone who does not follow their beliefs. They are willing to kill not thousands, not millions, but BILLIONS of people to make their new world order. Sound Familiar? It should. This is basicaly a repeat of both World Wars. As you all have probably heard, and dismissed just as easily, HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF. And that is happening now.

And in both wars there were only one dirrect attack against americans, respectivly for each. These were the sinking of the Lusitana(not real sure of the name of the ship), and the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Once again, how many direct attacks against America have there been. Totaled it reaches three. Three attacks, three wars. So my question is why are we wanting to pull out?

Easy the media allows us to see the reality of war, all the horible facts that go along with the destruction of entire families and cities. Do you really think that it was any different durring the World Wars? No. And I know this because of the stories I have heard from my family. If anything those Wars were many times over, more bloody, more destructive. After WWII almost all of Europe had to be rebuilt. The fact is that people want justice, and they want to be safe, but they don't want any loose ends or dirty hands. In war no hand is clean, and that is a fact.

Yes Solders will die, people I know have died. Yes Civilians will die. And yes it WILL be ugly. But that IS war, that WAS war, and that is what war WILL BE.

....coming soon. "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

[stelthfighter]

He is right about that.

[LostKamper]

I think the troops should be called back, but only until the Iraqi Government is strong enough to deal with their problem (terrorists).


Quote:
Originally Posted by two11 View Post
pull them out...


george bush cheated in '00 and is a horrible president!

idk how you people are oblivious to this....

LOL ROFL

^^^ This guy is my point. The AVERAGE American wait it's good for my argument
Lol what you mean?

And to those who support the war, you don't know what it's like being IN the war. If you were part of the military and went to Iraq, you would say, F*CK THE WAR. And I agree on what Metallica said about how there was only ONE attack on the U.S. and none more.

[vSkyzv]

I think the troops should be called back, but only until the Iraqi Government is strong enough to deal with their problem (terrorists).


Lol what you mean?

And to those who support the war, you don't know what it's like being IN the war. If you were part of the military and went to Iraq, you would say, F*CK THE WAR. And I agree on what Metallica said about how there was only ONE attack on the U.S. and none more.

Conspiracy Theorist? You make me sick:(

This is not a thread on 9/11 Conspiracy Theories. Get a life all conspiracy theories have been debunked.....

Also you are in violation of rule 1

You are not part of the military and do not know what the soldiers think. If you weren't so left then you would know that the re-volunteer rate is higher than any other war.

Look the Iraq Government will be ready in 18months. Our war for independence took years but we won. We cannot pullout because we are their "France."

[vSkyzv]

I think the liberal media has taken over your minds...

[vSkyzv]

Bush: 31% approval

Gallup Poll:

OUR DEMOCRATICLY-CONTROLLED CONGRESS: 18% approval

[unholyXmosher]

I think we should keep our troops in Iraq. However Bush may not be the best commander for this. If we pullout everybody's sacrafice is in vain.

Amen brother. I think one of the best things Bush did was to go to war against terrorism. If he hadn't shown al-Qaida that we wouldn't let them walk all over us after 9/11 I think we would be getting attacked a lot more.

[Dylan]

I am in the service and have been there. My brother is there and I have also lost friends there. Who ever posted that if we pull out all the deaths are in vain is correct. Think about the families who have lost loved ones, brothers, sisters, husbands, wives, daughters, sons, aunts uncles, parents, and so on. Are we telling these ppl that their family died for no cause. I dont agree with alot of what has happened but as a military member i have to support the president whether i want to or not.

[ibbeep]

Given that we are in Iraq debating the reasoning for being there is mute point. I believe we need to stabalize the nation of Iraq. If the new government stays intact after the US leaves then we will have another ally in the region. In addition the country will florish once the insurgency is taken care of. Without oil embargoes the nation will be able to build a better infrastructure than it has ever had.

Now was there a better way of going about fighting the war. Of course. I think had they completetly disarmed the militas at the start of the occupation we would be having a much easier time. But regardless I support our effort in that region of the world.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

I think the troops should be called back, but only until the Iraqi Government is strong enough to deal with their problem (terrorists).


Lol what you mean?

And to those who support the war, you don't know what it's like being IN the war. If you were part of the military and went to Iraq, you would say, F*CK THE WAR. And I agree on what Metallica said about how there was only ONE attack on the U.S. and none more.

I don't know about war? War, is my profesion and my calling. Granted I am not the first of my friends to go to war, and also unfortunatly I might be the first to make it back. But the point is we CANNOT leave quite yet. Untill the Iraqi Governmant and security forces are full ready to take over we absolutly cannot leave. If we do over 3,000 solders died just so that we could retreat. And that is just the begining, Hundreds of Thousands of people, mabey millions would die from this withdrawl.

My message to you is THINK FOR YOURSELF. What I mean about this is don't take the news for factual informatino, it's too biased. And do your own research for your arguments and points. It will help you to discover things you would never know about otherwise.


....yea I know that I said I'd do a write up on the Ben franklin quote, but I don't have the time, I'm off to training now.

[Eddypwnzu]

THe Iraqi resistenace has killed Umm about 2k people We have killed in bombing's to weed out the little mass of these people umm 300k So I think we should withdraw 300k seems a little much and don't worry even if The U.S. goverment retreated Blackwater would still be there killing innocence and evil lol...I'm not going 2 use the freedom of speech anymore

[Eddypwnzu]

I voted yes because of the danger it will cause if we pull out the troops. If we pull them out.. its over for the U.S :( .We will probably be attacked by one of the middle easten countries because, pulling out the troops is like saying "we give up" or "were weak". the iraqies will then c this as an opertunity 2 gather troops and preform and attack, like 911. and what also worries me is if korria (srry if spelled wrong) knos about this, they 2 will probably bomb us because they c a weakness.I belive korria has been planing and attack with there newclear weapons all along.Dont pull out the troops!

Will someone do me a favor and read book's and stop repeating everything big brother and The Company's Feed you...Sorry for double posting but I don't think the iraqi's would care if we leaved Espically because we've killed more of them than the actual People That are There...Basiccly Osama binladen's men are all a bunch of n00bs lol...

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

Now was there a better way of going about fighting the war. Of course. I think had they completetly disarmed the militas at the start of the occupation we would be having a much easier time. But regardless I support our effort in that region of the world.
I agree ibbep, but the problem is that right now we might be going moving away from maneuver warfare, into the next class. Problem is what is the next class of warfare. It is kind of confusing and I myself don't understand it fully. But we would never be able to diarm the militas. You can disarm an Army, but you cannot disarm a people, that has carrying arms developed into their history and culture. And plus I'm glad right now that we didnt try and disarm the people of Iraq. If you read the news, you'd have heard about how Shi'ite(spelling) militas are allying with US and Iraqi armed forces. We also were also to find allies in many Sunni Tribes in Iraq. And for that I'm gratefull for their support in fighting the evil that is infecting this world today.


And yes, untill you're in the military, you don't know what we'd think about war. The thing is, as bad and uncomrehensable to some it might seem, peace time is boring for warriors. War is what we train for, and what we seek(kind of). Because we do our job in times of War.

I feel bad that we are so polarized in this conflict. We are at war. Probably a more justifiable war then WWI actually. Back then we fought Imperialism(but Britain was an Imperial nation) now we are fighting for the freedom and lives of milloins of people, not just 8,000. And Edypwnsyou, yes we have killed people. But that is war. People die in war. And the point of war is to keep more people from dieing. Yea I know it sounds kind of stupid but that is how simple it gets.

--Hooah--

[Eddypwnzu]

Do you think war is all fun and game's for The Other side???We out number them about 1million to 1...If it was the Nazi's V.S. us again I would have respect Espically since that was a war were we actuly had a chance of loseing....

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

Do you think war is all fun and game's for The Other side???We out number them about 1million to 1...If it was the Nazi's V.S. us again I would have respect Espically since that was a war were we actuly had a chance of loseing....

And that was a completly different tyoe of war. That was the beggining of maneuver warfare. We have now gone past that. War is no longer nation vs nation, and there is nothing you can do about that. Since the collape of the Soviet Union, there was no threat of a large scale war.

And these radicals are acutally more drivin and more dangerous then the Nazi's. And that is why me MUST exterminate them NOW. The Nazi's tried to destroy a race, these people want to destroy EVERYTHING that doesnt agree with what they say. So if you want to live, either fight or join them. I personally would fight. Freedom and peace, are reason enough to die for. And I WILL take as many of those evil, radical bastards down as I can, in order to make the world a safer place.

[Eddypwnzu]

Large scale war???lol everything is large scale now day's And no matter what we do There will be great threats to america and making more threats isn't the way to make peace with these people...Capture osama bin laden and all his men without killing innocence strike fear within all of these people that are Crazy and then we can Fly the mission accomplished banner...If we don't do something nuke's are going 2 pwn us So I agree with you somewhat

[MiniBond007]

where are not talking about bush we are talking about the war. if we pullout terrorists will take over iraq. also that's just saying screw the 3k troops that died. almost everybody hates bush no doubt about that. but this is about the war. stop flip-flopping are you john kerry?

no bush should send our troops back cuse soilders are dying and iraq has no chance aganst us what happens if we get attacked by some1 else?? think about the future we will have no troops and we might b slaves of bad ppl cush is an idiot to keep the troops there because more ppl are dying an we dont want dat

[Eddypwnzu]

Lol A heck of alot more people will die if we stay there minibond no offense thats my opionin

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

I would like to answer both Eddypwnzu and MinniBond007.

First of all there is no national threat to the United States. There is aabsolulty no country that can possiblily pose a threat to us. The next most powerfull army would be Great Britain and China. Britain has been an allie for years, and would not be here if not for us, the Canadians, Australians, and Russians (WWII). And China is not capable of attacking anyone except the Russians, the Vietnamese, and the Koreans (lol SGT couldn't spell right :P) but the fact is, although China has the largest army in the world, it is first of all not as well trained, or equiped, and they have no way of ever reaching our coast, China has no Navy, in the traditional sense of the word. So that basically leaves small geurilla forces that attack us and are now the major combatants in this phase of warfare. Because of that we have altered our stratagy and tactics to adopt to this type of warfare. Now Special Forces are the deciding factor in the wars. So basically there will be no war in the traditional sense anymore. Now fighting will be done in cities and villages, againts an invisible enemy that blends in with the surrounding population.

[Rage]

pull them out...


george bush cheated in '00 and is a horrible president!

idk how you people are oblivious to this....

Oh, my, God. HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE POSSIBLY NOT BELIVE THIS BRILLIANT MAN?! Damn, can't you see that he obviously knows everything that happens in politics? I mean, come on, this guy is like, God's drinking buddy or something.


On topic: I support the war completely. We are to far into it to pull out now. Besides, these terrorists are a global threat, and they can, and WILL, attack us again given the chance.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

i think we should get our troops out of there and i say screw bush big time no one likes him and if u do well then sorry to say this but u suck. *LOL*

Large scale war???*LOL* everything is large scale now day's And no matter what we do There will be great threats to america and making more threats isn't the way to make peace with these people...Capture osama bin laden and all his men without killing innocence strike fear within all of these people that are Crazy and then we can Fly the mission accomplished banner...If we don't do something nuke's are going 2 pwn us So I agree with you somewhat

*LOL* A heck of alot more people will die if we stay there minibond no offense thats my opionin

What confuses me is that you are at your computer typing your message, trying to convince others that pulling out of Iraq is the best choice...and then you're laughing?! I'm not quite sure of that but....yea, that's not right.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

Do you think war is all fun and game's for The Other side???We out number them about 1million to 1...If it was the Nazi's V.S. us again I would have respect Espically since that was a war were we actuly had a chance of loseing....

Um yea so basically you want to be on the losing end of a war? Or do you just want a "fair" war, one where people line up and shoot at each other untill noone's left, where only solders die and not civilians. Because that is idiotic, and comlpetly farfetched. The whole point of war is to never let the enemy have a snowball's chance in hell. You attack with at least 3 times the force and power than the defender. The point of war is not to be "fair". It is to WIN. No one fights wars fairly, because those who do, lose. Just look at the revolutionary war.

And in war the objective is not to make the "other side's" lives comfortable. Our Army isn't the Hilton Suites Staff. The objective is to completly destroy the enemy's infrastructure, and morale, makeing them WANT to quit. That is how wars are won.

[Eddypwnzu]

omg...Your dog pwns lol Totally random

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

omg...Your dog pwns lol Totally random

Um yea he is...By the way NO SPAM.

Go spam some other thread.

[Eddypwnzu]

Sorry about teh spam but Truely Your Dog is teh pwner lol anyway...I Wouldn't like us 2 have 2 work for slave money because were funding a war that is fighting about 100 radicials lol no offense 2 ur Idea of the war :p

[Pieawesome]

our war is actually going well the news says it isn't because they feed on bad news but if we pull out we will have attack after attack on our soil by radicals who need to be shot we will win this war and we aren't going to pull out we are the greatest military power on earth and we won't be beaten by cavemen with bombs

[legolas2305]

Pull out the troops already! This is a pointless war and just has to do with oil. I support the troops, not the war.

[Dood]

I do support the attack on Al-Qaeda, since Osama Bin Laden was responsible for 911.

[vSkyzv]

Will someone do me a favor and read book's and stop repeating everything big brother and The Company's Feed you...Sorry for double posting but I don't think the iraqi's would care if we leaved Espically because we've killed more of them than the actual People That are There...Basiccly Osama binladen's men are all a bunch of n00bs lol...

The United States Armed Forces does not purposely kill unarmed civilians. If you believe so then you are ignorant. In wartimes sometimes civilians get in the line of fire. A majority of dead Iraqis were killed by radicals and we all know that.

[vSkyzv]

Pull out the troops already! This is a pointless war and just has to do with oil. I support the troops, not the war.

WE SHALL NOT PULL THE TROOPS OUT! THIS IS A WAR FOR IRAQ'S INDEPENDENCE! This would be similar to France pulling out of America. We will prevail and are not, NOT GIANT PUSSIES. The United States is the most powerful country in the world. OIL? I thought it was WMDs and terrorists. If we pullout then what message are we sending to the future presidents of this great nation? I know "When your will is lost, surrender."

[stupidboy]

have to stop the terrorists

[vSkyzv]

no bush should send our troops back cuse soilders are dying and iraq has no chance aganst us what happens if we get attacked by some1 else?? think about the future we will have no troops and we might b slaves of bad ppl cush is an idiot to keep the troops there because more ppl are dying an we dont want dat

I never heard of a no-casualty war. We have the best technology to support the best military in the world. Besides:

200k troops in Iraq out of 1mil active duty personnel

59mil are fit to fight

Besides our allies:
Australia, Japan, Israel, every NATO nation

[vSkyzv]

30 years ago Jimmy Carter pulled our troops out of Iran which was a U.S. ally. But guess who right now wants to nuke Israel?
Please, don't let democrats pull out.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

Actually Legolas IS right. One of the big factors in this war is OIL. But he isn't right in the ways he thinks he is. Yes, OIL is a big part in this war. The reason for that is, that once the war is over, and Iraq is a FREE SELF GOVERNING country there will be no OIL embargos on the nation. What does this mean? It means that the economy over there will soar, possibly making Iraq the region's economic powerhouse. The fact is that most people believe too much in what they might have heard, and are always searching to put down our leaders that the OIL fiasco has grown out of control to the point that it becomes an epidemic, and that people actually believe in it. Yes gas prices have risen, but we are in a WAR. Would you rather we ration everything, gas, meat supplies, or will you suck it up. You people sacrifice nothing, and then you complain when gas prices rise durring a wartime. Ok fine lets give our troops camels. Im sure that those have more armor and firepower then an Abrhams.

[vSkyzv]

This is an intelligent or semi-intelligent discussion on the Iraq War. Can we all shut up about GWB?

[APHEX]

forget you stupid peace loving hippies! if we didnt send troops over there then, i guess we could just leave those innocent women and children to get bombs dropped on 'em

[moeLES]

Bush Sucks


Make Love Not War <lol> Jk Xd

[vSkyzv]

Um ok... Anybody saying Bush sucks can be considered as spammers

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

Um since I don't think I can delete the spam posts, I'm asking the mods to delete any bush bashing spam. Or any other topic not about the War in this thread.

[flamedruid]

I think we should pull out. Bush is destroying our nation. And were receiving more people then we need. GET THE (beep) OUT OF THERE DAMN IT!

Being a "peace" loving hippie doesn't mean "sacrifice" the innocent. It means to disagree with violent acts.

And the death of the veins doesn't mean to "retreat" By not pulling out, were merely delaying more death to be put in vein later.

If we do not pull out, more and more will die in vein. And the U.S.A cannot afford ANYMORE DEATHS. Causes, they're not even receiving much income. Were there for a single purpose anyways. SO SCREW IRAQ. BOMB IT. OR LEAVE IT. YOUR CHOICE.

[vSkyzv]

I think we should pull out. Bush is destroying our nation. And were receiving more people then we need. GET THE (beep) OUT OF THERE DAMN IT!

Being a "peace" loving hippie doesn't mean "sacrifice" the innocent. It means to disagree with violent acts.

And the death of the veins doesn't mean to "retreat" By not pulling out, were merely delaying more death to be put in vein later.

If we do not pull out, more and more will die in vein. And the U.S.A cannot afford ANYMORE DEATHS. Causes, they're not even receiving much income. Were there for a single purpose anyways. SO SCREW IRAQ. BOMB IT. OR LEAVE IT. YOUR CHOICE.

And let the terrorists take over? What if France screwed America? This is a just cause. If we pull out we are retreating. There is no real reason to pull out. This war has only lasted 4 years. The Vietnam and Independence War took longer. We could have brought democracy to Vietnam but we pulled out. We could have saved Iran but we pulled out. Many deaths in those wars are in vain because of ignorant people. We will not surrender to terrorists. United we are strong but divided we fall. WE must stay in Iraq.

[flamedruid]

And let the terrorists take over? What if France screwed America? This is a just cause. If we pull out we are retreating. There is no real reason to pull out. This war has only lasted 4 years. The Vietnam and Independence War took longer. We could have brought democracy to Vietnam but we pulled out. We could have saved Iran but we pulled out. Many deaths in those wars are in vain because of ignorant people. We will not surrender to terrorists. United we are strong but divided we fall. WE must stay in Iraq.

But by staying in iraq, were not only taking a stand. But providing evidence on how stupid people can get. Retreating isn't a nice word to say. Lets use the words "GET THE (beep) OUT OF THERE." It'll be the national idea. And france wouldn't stand a chance. We still have the Sovient Union, and England on our allies list. More deaths, more vein. If we continue to argue about veinity, then your gonna lose....The more deaths we receive just makes it harder to pull out because of this reason. But if we pull out. We can be safe. BOMB THEM, OR LEAVE. YOUR CHOICE.

[APHEX]

Um ok... Anybody saying Bush sucks can be considered as spammers

its not spamm if it has something to do with the topic or it being a relpy... stupid kid

[flamedruid]

its not spamm if it has something to do with the topic or it being a relpy... stupid kid

Hes right :\

Maybe not about the stupid kid....But hes a teenager with no brain anyways...

Playing with you APEHX. See you on the Battlefield :p

[APHEX]

no flamedruid.... ill see you in hell! j/k

[vSkyzv]

You are both violating flaming/insults rule

Bashing Bush is irrelevant to Iraq

[vw]

Leave them in there I got a uncle and a anut over there :p

But really leave them there what would all the lost lifes be for? Just to make the left win happy we let there causedie >.>
It shouldn't even have started then.

[flamedruid]

Irrelvent? Are you defending against the worst president since Nixon?

Its bushes fault were in Iraq. Its a "mere" ...insulting him..thats all.

And its not illegal to bash him anyways...More or less opinionated. But i bash on him til the day he gets out of office 2008 POLLS HERE WE COME.

[vw]

Don't blame other people. It was the Adult american citizens who voted him so too bad.

[flamedruid]

Don't blame other people. It was the Adult american citizens who voted him so too bad.

Regardless. People are knowing less of others apon lies at a time..

I'll blame who ever, whenever. Its not like a simple 16 year old can do anything. They can't stop my opinions...Or so forth the war against the real terrorism...THE GOVERNMENT.

[Eddypwnzu]

Wow that is 2 cool both topic's are split dead even in teh poll's lol

[flamedruid]

Your a weirdo eddy :\

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

But by staying in iraq, were not only taking a stand. But providing evidence on how stupid people can get. Retreating isn't a nice word to say. Lets use the words "GET THE (beep) OUT OF THERE." It'll be the national idea. And france wouldn't stand a chance. We still have the Sovient Union, and England on our allies list. More deaths, more vein. If we continue to argue about veinity, then your gonna lose....The more deaths we receive just makes it harder to pull out because of this reason. But if we pull out. We can be safe. BOMB THEM, OR LEAVE. YOUR CHOICE.

Listen. I am tired of people saying that WE are dieing in vain. If my death means 3 other Iraqi's/American/Any one else survives, then I consider that a wrothy DEATH. The greatest honor that can be besowed on a man is to fight for the freedom of the world. And I have accepted this honor. What you don't understand is that I WOULD die to bring stability to the Iraq, and rid the world of radicals. If we pull out before the war is over then it just showes that if something doesn't go perfectly, don't count on the Americans. This shows that we do not desrve our standing in the world, and that we would rather let millions of civilians die rather then to fight for peace.

And you consider yourself a peace-loving hippie? "BOMB THEM, OR LEAVE. YOUR CHOICE".
Hmm that sounds like Vietnam era stuff. We want peace, so we will kill and riot for it. You are a hpocrite and do not deserve the freedom that me and others are fighting for.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

Ok first off I want to say something. If you are going to BS or joke around dont post here. This is a serious issue and I want it to stay that way. Other then that nothing else.

And for the point of opening the debate. Ill thank HonorP00ner.

But HonorP00ner, I think you are relying too heavily on the idea that if we leave then terrorists will take over.

I DO support staying in Iraq, at least untill the Iraqi Gov't is able to pick up the slack.
The main problem with the American people is that they have forgotten about the fact that we are a country at war. Of course they will say that we are in a war now, but they are not prepared for that fact. One of these reasons is that they havn't had any reminder of this fact. How many attacks on American Soil have occured between 9/11 and now? --NONE-- (favorite quote from anit-war protestors) and that is the truth, and also the problem. Because there have been no attacks, for the most part we have forgotten what it is like for thousands of Americans to die instantaniously.

A second reason is that Americans as a generalization listen and accept what they see in the media as the absolute truth. And they don't look beyond the facts presendted to them. And the media of course is foccused on higher ratings, so they print the news that people WANT to hear. And the fact is that it is human nature to foccus on bad news over good news, which means bad news brings in higher ratings then good. Therefore the media won't report all the successes that are being made in the war, and rather foccus on how our solders are dying. And the American public foccuses on the failures and deaths of Americans, and forget that we ARE winning this war. This also was a problem in the Vietnam War where the Media began to gain more power over the public.

....more later

xxxMetallicaxxx
U.S. Army

Just Renewing this topic

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

What is war?

Yes we are in a war. And people die in a war. That is the most basic point today. In World Wars I & II, over 50 MILLION people died. Why did this happen? Simple fascist Italy, and the Nazi governtment in Germany. Hitler killed MILLIONS of Jews in the name of creating a master race. Us and the rest of the world saw fit to go to war with the Axis fo Evil then, and put an end to the hatred and mass murdur that was being carried out in the name of Improving the World, and ridding it of the unworthy.

My question to you is how is this different then WWII, or even WWI for that matter? The answer is that it isn't different. Today we once again have radicals, leading their followers on a warpath against anyone who does not follow their beliefs. They are willing to kill not thousands, not millions, but BILLIONS of people to make their new world order. Sound Familiar? It should. This is basicaly a repeat of both World Wars. As you all have probably heard, and dismissed just as easily, HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF. And that is happening now.

And in both wars there were only one dirrect attack against americans, respectivly for each. These were the sinking of the Lusitana(not real sure of the name of the ship), and the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Once again, how many direct attacks against America have there been. Totaled it reaches three. Three attacks, three wars. So my question is why are we wanting to pull out?

Easy the media allows us to see the reality of war, all the horible facts that go along with the destruction of entire families and cities. Do you really think that it was any different durring the World Wars? No. And I know this because of the stories I have heard from my family. If anything those Wars were many times over, more bloody, more destructive. After WWII almost all of Europe had to be rebuilt. The fact is that people want justice, and they want to be safe, but they don't want any loose ends or dirty hands. In war no hand is clean, and that is a fact.

Yes Solders will die, people I know have died. Yes Civilians will die. And yes it WILL be ugly. But that IS war, that WAS war, and that is what war WILL BE.

....coming soon. "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

Just Renewing this topic.
UPDATE: the new post will be coming out tomorrow

[flamedruid]

Listen. I am tired of people saying that WE are dieing in vain. If my death means 3 other Iraqi's/American/Any one else survives, then I consider that a wrothy DEATH. The greatest honor that can be besowed on a man is to fight for the freedom of the world. And I have accepted this honor. What you don't understand is that I WOULD die to bring stability to the Iraq, and rid the world of radicals. If we pull out before the war is over then it just showes that if something doesn't go perfectly, don't count on the Americans. This shows that we do not desrve our standing in the world, and that we would rather let millions of civilians die rather then to fight for peace.

And you consider yourself a peace-loving hippie? "BOMB THEM, OR LEAVE. YOUR CHOICE".
Hmm that sounds like Vietnam era stuff. We want peace, so we will kill and riot for it. You are a hpocrite and do not deserve the freedom that me and others are fighting for.

Ofcourse, i do not consider myself a peace-loving hippie.

It would explain why people need nonesencsual behavior..We do not pull out. We don't want to be relied on. Look what being relied on now is happening to this country. We got all this stuff happening. What would you do in a state-of-crisis emergancy....Go to war because your father told you to?
Bad causes lead to unjustified innocent. Leave or die. Smile or frown. This is a controversial topic, and someone needs to argue.
As for impulsive leaving. Yes, stay there for a few days, get out. What more purpose do we have there then to shoot the uninnocent. FRY THEM -.-

Only then can we succed in a "Richous cause". Just because were involved in a war, doesn't mean to stay involved. The best plan of action is to keep the men safe as much as possible. And Bush isn't doing a good job at that. So, more unjustified terrorism would prevail, then for the keepsake, strike back. But remember, two wrongs don't make a right.

~Edited~

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

I don't know about war? War, is my profesion and my calling. Granted I am not the first of my friends to go to war, and also unfortunatly I might be the first to make it back. But the point is we CANNOT leave quite yet. Untill the Iraqi Governmant and security forces are full ready to take over we absolutly cannot leave. If we do over 3,000 solders died just so that we could retreat. And that is just the begining, Hundreds of Thousands of people, mabey millions would die from this withdrawl.

My message to you is THINK FOR YOURSELF. What I mean about this is don't take the news for factual informatino, it's too biased. And do your own research for your arguments and points. It will help you to discover things you would never know about otherwise.


....yea I know that I said I'd do a write up on the Ben franklin quote, but I don't have the time, I'm off to training now.

Just reposting this topic

[cooltim123]

Pull out the troops slowly, just by each brigade. That is what Gen. Petraeus is trying to do right now. This is an estimated 4,000 by Jan. It's really not diffictult. However, the democrats are too drastic about it. They wanted to pass a bill a few months ago cutting supplies and troops to Iraq. We already have our soldiers over there, so we cant leave them on low provisions, that is just stupididty. Talk about irony, Bush was trying to explain this to the dems although he was the one who drafted the war. hmmmm...... But anyway there is no Al Qaeda in Iraq, we will never find Al Qaeda peiod. Most of the leaders have fled Iraq by the first year of the war. The "insurgents" are the remaining Islamic combatants defending their homeland from us, who are inspired by Al Qaeda. Most of them are locals because the large organized resistances of them who were more the from 2003-2005 have already been quashed. We will never win the battle to renew Iraq's economy and government because we may have the more tactical points taken care of, but they have something that we will never have the upper hand on: TIME.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

Ofcourse, i do not consider myself a peace-loving hippie.

It would explain why people need nonesencsual behavior..We do not pull out. We don't want to be relied on. Look what being relied on now is happening to this country. We got all this stuff happening. What would you do in a state-of-crisis emergancy....Go to war because your father told you to?
Bad causes lead to unjustified innocent. Leave or die. Smile or frown. This is a controversial topic, and someone needs to argue.
As for impulsive leaving. Yes, stay there for a few days, get out. What more purpose do we have there then to shoot the uninnocent. FRY THEM -.-

Only then can we succed in a "Richous cause". Just because were involved in a war, doesn't mean to stay involved. The best plan of action is to keep the men safe as much as possible. And Bush isn't doing a good job at that. So, more unjustified terrorism would prevail, then for the keepsake, strike back. But remember, two wrongs don't make a right.

Ok so fighting for the Freedom and the Lives of millions of people in Iraq isn't a Rightious Cause? Fighting for the security and preservation of the Western Civilization is not a Justified Cause? Then just what is a justified cause? Because if this war isnt justifyable by those standards the both World Wars were unjustified(it was only Hiter after all...:( ) and the Civil War was unjustified (all they did was go against the Constitution) and best of all the Revolutionary War was definatly unjustified...why couldnt we just ask nicely for our freedom.

[Calisniper13]

ok i say we should keep the troops there.if we leave,everything we are trying to do over there will completely collapse and all the men and women who have given their lives in this war would have died in vain.we are "losing" because the enemy blends in with the population and we dont know who to look for and next thing you know some suicide bomber takes out a convoy of troops.we do not know who we are fighting.i know it seems like pulling out is the best option but you gotta look at things from BOTH sides and weigh in all the consequences of each option.no other country is a threat to us.if north korea has nukes they would have shot em at us already.china is not our enemy we are trying to establish a friendship with them.we have to establish the new government in iraw then we can pull out of there.that is my opinion on this war.
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[xxxMetallicaxxx]

I would like to answer both Eddypwnzu and MinniBond007.

First of all there is no national threat to the United States. There is aabsolulty no country that can possiblily pose a threat to us. The next most powerfull army would be Great Britain and China. Britain has been an allie for years, and would not be here if not for us, the Canadians, Australians, and Russians (WWII). And China is not capable of attacking anyone except the Russians, the Vietnamese, and the Koreans (lol SGT couldn't spell right :P) but the fact is, although China has the largest army in the world, it is first of all not as well trained, or equiped, and they have no way of ever reaching our coast, China has no Navy, in the traditional sense of the word. So that basically leaves small geurilla forces that attack us and are now the major combatants in this phase of warfare. Because of that we have altered our stratagy and tactics to adopt to this type of warfare. Now Special Forces are the deciding factor in the wars. So basically there will be no war in the traditional sense anymore. Now fighting will be done in cities and villages, againts an invisible enemy that blends in with the surrounding population.

Just reposting this topic

[Eddypwnzu]

I voted yes because of the danger it will cause if we pull out the troops. If we pull them out.. its over for the U.S :( .We will probably be attacked by one of the middle easten countries because, pulling out the troops is like saying "we give up" or "were weak". the iraqies will then c this as an opertunity 2 gather troops and preform and attack, like 911. and what also worries me is if korria (srry if spelled wrong) knos about this, they 2 will probably bomb us because they c a weakness.I belive korria has been planing and attack with there newclear weapons all along.Dont pull out the troops!

Listen. I am tired of people saying that WE are dieing in vain. If my death means 3 other Iraqi's/American/Any one else survives, then I consider that a wrothy DEATH. The greatest honor that can be besowed on a man is to fight for the freedom of the world. And I have accepted this honor. What you don't understand is that I WOULD die to bring stability to the Iraq, and rid the world of radicals. If we pull out before the war is over then it just showes that if something doesn't go perfectly, don't count on the Americans. This shows that we do not desrve our standing in the world, and that we would rather let millions of civilians die rather then to fight for peace.

And you consider yourself a peace-loving hippie? "BOMB THEM, OR LEAVE. YOUR CHOICE".
Hmm that sounds like Vietnam era stuff. We want peace, so we will kill and riot for it. You are a hpocrite and do not deserve the freedom that me and others are fighting for.

omfg 300k have died from OUR BOMB'S AND THEY WE'RE ALL INOCCENT THE RADICAL'S ARE THE EQUIVELENT OF A BUNCH OF n00b's WITH NOBODY ELSE 2 TRAIN WITH WTF MAN THEY SAID SADDAM HUSAIN WAS WHO WE WERE AFTER WHY ARE WE STILL THERE???WTF

[Eddypwnzu]

Just reposting this topic

XDDDD Britan has No where near the power of China they have like 2 Billion People not including there the fastest growing economy in the world and we are like 34th or something in health care LOL WE ARE BEHIND SLOVAKIA XD!!!

[Phazer]

Ok so fighting for the Freedom and the Lives of millions of people in Iraq isn't a Rightious Cause? Fighting for the security and preservation of the Western Civilization is not a Justified Cause? Then just what is a justified cause? Because if this war isnt justifyable by those standards the both World Wars were unjustified(it was only Hiter after all...:( ) and the Civil War was unjustified (all they did was go against the Constitution) and best of all the Revolutionary War was definatly unjustified...why couldnt we just ask nicely for our freedom.

Your correct on many standards here. But one thing were looking for is the reason why we can't neglect "millions of people". Why not, screw them. Their unimportant. Wrong, they are important. So why we still fighting in something that these millions are fighting against the fighters that we own.
In other words, the majority of people say get out.
And the other wars were nobley faught out. Sure, wars are VERY uncivil, but their purpose was pointed out clearly. Again unjustified and clearly wraught out. They can always point out the diffrence, and fight later. Why now do we choose to throw ourselves at their feet. Why not let them come to us? To uncivil for you?

[flamedruid]

Your correct on many standards here. But one thing were looking for is the reason why we can't neglect "millions of people". Why not, screw them. Their unimportant. Wrong, they are important. So why we still fighting in something that these millions are fighting against the fighters that we own.
In other words, the majority of people say get out.
And the other wars were nobley faught out. Sure, wars are VERY uncivil, but their purpose was pointed out clearly. Again unjustified and clearly wraught out. They can always point out the diffrence, and fight later. Why now do we choose to throw ourselves at their feet. Why not let them come to us? To uncivil for you?

Cronicly insane you are master Phazer.

He is correct. But due polls are also correct.. We leave and most will be satisfied.

Yeah..Phazer you phr00b -.-

[Rukan23]

Irrelvent? Are you defending against the worst president since Nixon?

Its bushes fault were in Iraq. Its a "mere" ...insulting him..thats all.

And its not illegal to bash him anyways...More or less opinionated. But i bash on him til the day he gets out of office 2008 POLLS HERE WE COME.

i agree **** bush :) go flame :p

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

Cronicly insane you are master Phazer.

He is correct. But due polls are also correct.. We leave and most will be satisfied.

Yeah..Phazer you phr00b -.-

Yes the majority of Americans will be satisfied...and the majority of Iraqis will die. Remember how Iraq was ruled by the minority? What happens when the minority has the power to become the majority? easy they will kill to become the dominating force. But you know, that doesnt matter anymore because wee pulled out, now it's just news. Mabey someone will start a chairity, then in a week noone will remember it.

[BostonTheBand]

I say no. No I don't support the war. It's senselessly sending 18 Year olds, just out of High School. Into a death trap. It's as if we're invading a nation, and changing it. It was useless. Sure, 9/11? Bush let it happen. He and his father were some of the worst presidents, ever. He's helped no one, but the Upper class. He steals from the Middle class, and Gives it over to the Upper class. Which I hate with a firey rage. We've sent those poor kids over there, and they'll just keep dying for no reason until they get out.

The longer we're over there, the more 'Terrorist', will 'come' We've been suppressing those civilians for over four years, I doubt that they wouldn't want to fight back.

All in all, we're not helping being over there, we're adding more fuel to the fire. Inciting them.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

i agree **** bush :) go flame :p

listen DO NOT FLAME ON MY TOPIC

[flamedruid]

Yes the majority of Americans will be satisfied...and the majority of Iraqis will die. Remember how Iraq was ruled by the minority? What happens when the minority has the power to become the majority? easy they will kill to become the dominating force. But you know, that doesnt matter anymore because wee pulled out, now it's just news. Mabey someone will start a chairity, then in a week noone will remember it.

Heres a quick look up how much you know about wars.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bmYkY0CjYgo. Listen closely...Cause i won't.

This is only one way to express how war really is. A lie, a disagreeable lie.

And Just cause were unable to remove them preferably and accordingly, we just need to pull out. Remember, listen to this song, and closely remember why i asked you to..LIES FROMT EH TABLECLOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eddypwnzu]

LOL All I see is Pwnage for the red side blue side is kicking *** lol

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

I say no. No I don't support the war. It's senselessly sending 18 Year olds, just out of High School. Into a death trap. It's as if we're invading a nation, and changing it. It was useless. Sure, 9/11? Bush let it happen. He and his father were some of the worst presidents, ever. He's helped no one, but the Upper class. He steals from the Middle class, and Gives it over to the Upper class. Which I hate with a firey rage. We've sent those poor kids over there, and they'll just keep dying for no reason until they get out.

Are you blind, deaf and dumb? Stop listening to the damn media and make your own decisions on REALL information. In case you havnt noticed, and it looks like you havn't, the media and news is liberally biased, meaning that they are goining against conservatives and republicans, no matter who they are.

[D4L4gg3r]

we have to win this war.putting US troops out and we lose.


by the way bin ladin(if u dont know who this guy is...u r stupid but anyways this dude is the MOST WANTED TERRIOST IN THW WORLD!)
said 1 or 2 days ago that he will be putting another terrist attack against the US on 9/11......


RUN FOR UR LIVES ON 9/11!!!

[BostonTheBand]

Are you blind, deaf and dumb? Stop listening to the damn media and make your own decisions on REALL information. In case you havnt noticed, and it looks like you havn't, the media and news is liberally biased, meaning that they are goining against conservatives and republicans, no matter who they are.

Are you stupid sir? I came up with that conclusion as my own.

Stop trying to sound smart, because your FAILING. (Oh, and if it matters to you, I don't rightly care for either Party. Democrats or Republicans. They both are just as dumb as war.)

we have to win this war.putting US troops out and we lose.

by the way bin ladin(if u dont know who this guy is...u r stupid but anyways this dude is the MOST WANTED TERRIOST IN THW WORLD!)
said 1 or 2 days ago that he will be putting another terrist attack against the US on 9/11......


RUN FOR UR LIVES ON 9/11!!!

You see, Metallica. This is what the media does. It in-stills fear in our weak-minded society.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

Are you stupid sir? I came up with that conclusion as my own.

Stop trying to sound smart, because your FAILING.

Kind of funny how the information that you find on your own is exactly ths same, word or word as the media and public opinion, I wonder why that is? Aww don't pay no tension to a pooah backwatah contry boyah like my self I ain't got no education. And by the way yes i do look up my inf myself and not from the media or any 3rd person source, its not reliable that way.


So the media is instilling fear i the weak minded? How is that, when the media is constantly calling for a withdrawl of troops and an end to this war? Do you know what the media is, because it seems you don't.

[Eddypwnzu]

we have to win this war.putting US troops out and we lose.


by the way bin ladin(if u dont know who this guy is...u r stupid but anyways this dude is the MOST WANTED TERRIOST IN THW WORLD!)
said 1 or 2 days ago that he will be putting another terrist attack against the US on 9/11......


RUN FOR UR LIVES ON 9/11!!!

Umm were did you collect this info???Because I'm 90% sure its not him and proebebly kim jong ill...And if you remember correctly bush Wanted sadam hussain's head whatever happend 2 that wTF?

[BostonTheBand]

Kind of funny how the information that you find on your own is exactly ths same, word or word as the media and public opinion, I wonder why that is? Aww don't pay no tension to a pooah backwatah contry boyah like my self I ain't got no education. And by the way yes i do look up my inf myself and not from the media or any 3rd person source, its not reliable that way.

Oh, and you'd need a slight amount of 3rd party source, to even KNOW what your presumingly looking up? Your failing at this thread, and life.

Kind of funny how it's the same information as a PLENTY BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE. A lot of people don't agree with this war. Your bi-ased. I'm bi-ased. I don't believe in this meaningless war, you do. You agree with the countless slayings of our troops as a 'sacrifice' that never needed to happen. Give me a good reason for this war.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

I get my INFORMATION from first and second party sources. not 3rd party. And no I am not a west virginian.If you cared to find out i have it in my profile. But don't take my word for it. I'm not really interested in my future and my own life and well being.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

If you want a good reason for this war read my previous posts ok, im not posting them a 3rd time.

[Eddypwnzu]

Kind of funny how the information that you find on your own is exactly ths same, word or word as the media and public opinion, I wonder why that is? Aww don't pay no tension to a pooah backwatah contry boyah like my self I ain't got no education. And by the way yes i do look up my inf myself and not from the media or any 3rd person source, its not reliable that way.


So the media is instilling fear i the weak minded? How is that, when the media is constantly calling for a withdrawl of troops and an end to this war? Do you know what the media is, because it seems you don't.

That's totally beackward's because Fear Would make us want 2 fight lol...First of all Million's can't lose there live's over a few hundred Extremeists who can't even afford a toilet and also Bush wouldn't go over there for peace...If he was on a peace mission he would be in Darfur where 3 milllion people have already died...but he wouldn't go 2 africa because it dosen't have any oil...The middle east however has 3/4th or something of the world's oil suplly's this make's him MONEY...Beside's If we we're to pull the troop's out Blackwater Usa Would attack them heavily with there 20k private mercanry army that donald rumsfield created...

[BostonTheBand]

That's totally beackward's because Fear Would make us want 2 fight lol...First of all Million's can't lose there live's over a few hundred Extremeists who can't even afford a toilet and also Bush wouldn't go over there for peace...If he was on a peace mission he would be in Darfur where 3 milllion people have already died...but he wouldn't go 2 africa because it dosen't have any oil...The middle east however has 3/4th or something of the world's oil suplly's this make's him MONEY...Beside's If we we're to pull the troop's out Blackwater Usa Would attack them heavily with there 20k private mercanry army that donald rumsfield created...

Fear would make you hide. You would not come out if your Fearful of what is there.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

That's totally beackward's because Fear Would make us want 2 fight lol...First of all Million's can't lose there live's over a few hundred Extremeists who can't even afford a toilet and also Bush wouldn't go over there for peace...If he was on a peace mission he would be in Darfur where 3 milllion people have already died...but he wouldn't go 2 africa because it dosen't have any oil...The middle east however has 3/4th or something of the world's oil suplly's this make's him MONEY...Beside's If we we're to pull the troop's out Blackwater Usa Would attack them heavily with there 20k private mercanry army that donald rumsfield created...

and that is my point about the media....and first of all if you think a few people can't kill many remember, there are still nukes in this world, and they aren't that hard to make if you have the right equipment and scientists i.e. Iran. And did you forget 9/11 thousands of Americans died because a few muslims crashed planes into buildings....that can happen again.

[Eddypwnzu]

I'm Sorry Fear Would Drive You to attack Because Its not the president or the White house that would be scared it would be the actual soldiers that had to actuly do something about the War...

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

And yes... fear would make us fight. If you study huan Pychology, you would know this. Fighting and war is a natural human defense against the unknown and undesireable

[Eddypwnzu]

and that is my point about the media....and first of all if you think a few people can't kill many remember, there are still nukes in this world, and they aren't that hard to make if you have the right equipment and scientists i.e. Iran. And did you forget 9/11 thousands of Americans died because a few muslims crashed planes into buildings....that can happen again.

Omg If someone from A diffrent country even walk's into a Airport now day's the level bar is raised 2 red xD

[BostonTheBand]

and that is my point about the media....and first of all if you think a few people can't kill many remember, there are still nukes in this world, and they aren't that hard to make if you have the right equipment and scientists i.e. Iran. And did you forget 9/11 thousands of Americans died because a few muslims crashed planes into buildings....that can happen again.

You know, how ironic this is. Your whining about the media, while protecting the war, and the president. You don't want the media to keep the nation informed, about such a worthless war. Explain why the HELL we're in IRAQ? We could be in Afganistan actually looking for Osama Bin Laden, but no, HELL NO. We have to free an opressed country and cause more 'Radical Islams' from our 'opression'.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

Omg If someone from A diffrent country even walk's into a Airport now day's the level bar is raised 2 red xD


I never said it was easy, just that it is possible. And try to remember that there are thousands of privat planes with littleor no security measures. It wouls be simple for them to pack one with explosives

[Eddypwnzu]

If we had any genral's that had Any Itellengce what so ever then we can shoot the plane's down...Also 9/11 could have easily been stoped Condi told The prez. that it could happen but He didn't care and made her Go tell the anaylists to go play with themselves :p

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

You know, how ironic this is. Your whining about the media, while protecting the war, and the president. You don't want the media to keep the nation informed, about such a worthless war. Explain why the HELL we're in IRAQ? We could be in Afganistan actually looking for Osama Bin Laden, but no, HELL NO. We have to free an opressed country and cause more 'Radical Islams' from our 'opression'.

Listen I support the WAR i support fighting radicals. And yes, I do support the President, he IS my comander in cheif, after all. I might not agree with his style of leadership, but he has had to deal with something basically unheard of berfore, an attack on American soil, not by an army but by a geurilla force. And in that I believe that he acted the best on the information that he had. Even the CIA and NSA isn't all knowing.

[BostonTheBand]

Listen I support the WAR i support fighting radicals. And yes, I do support the President, he IS my comander in cheif, after all. I might not agree with his style of leadership, but he has had to deal with something basically unheard of berfore, an attack on American soil, not by an army but by a geurilla force.

Fine. I'll leave you to your bidding. Good day to you sir, have a good night.


(And if it ever matters, I plan on joining the Navy.)

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

If we had any genral's that had Any Itellengce what so ever then we can shoot the plane's down...Also 9/11 could have easily been stoped Condi told The prez. that it could happen but He didn't care and made her Go tell the anaylists to go play with themselves :p

Ok lets do that. Lets set up Patrito Batteries and checkpoints in every crossing in every city throughout the country. Marshal Law. It hasnt ben enacted since the Civil War. And to do so now would create chaos and rioting worse then the Draft Riots in NY city durring the Civil War.

[Eddypwnzu]

...The president Had a grade Avg. of about C,He Said He will put Food on your family,We are currently loseing more money than a stock market investor,The Health care is behind slovakia lol,He's lied about 50 time's and apologised about 100 times,Speech Wise he is the dumbest person of all with the uhhh's and ummmm's and long pauses,His Grandfather supported hitler,He's the Co.president of a company in the U.S.A. that owns a Private mercanary army of 20k,He Increased the poverty Rate,He even Has his speech's writen for him,He's killed more than 300k innocent people,He's thrown innocent people in jail for not supporting him,he cheated in both election's,He Still drink's and he Has The Church sending him money and worshiping him everyday...

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

Yea because you know the Pope was never a Nazi either, was he? And as a fact EVERY presedent has had their speeches written for them...it helps them to get throught their points easily

[Eddypwnzu]

I just wonder What Kind of stuff buildenburg is doing right now...

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

And Eddie. you are the first person I actually had a debate with on this for the game...I don't agree with you but i respect you dude. Just remember to find out information on your own.Don't listen to the media or the news as actual factual reporting. It is either to Liberal in their views, or Conservativ (FOX). That is why I dont take the news as fact.

[Eddypwnzu]

Ugh I respect you 2...And Its not the liberal or Conservative media its just the media...They'll do what they want 2...and also War isn't the aneswer to everything All we would have 2 do is Up our port defence's and Hunt down osama's head...

[cooltim123]

Osama will almost never be found, and even if he was he has bodyguards with him 24/7 waiting for a suicide order if he is threatened to be captured. And yes, all sources of our media today are baised. It's unavoidable. Read all the literature you can, and then you can determine what is the most accurate view.

[vSkyzv]

I am in no way defending Bush, as he has offended me too by visiting the communist leader of Vietnam and I'm part Vietanmese :( However this is a discussion on the Iraq War

Irrelvent? Are you defending against the worst president since Nixon?

Its bushes fault were in Iraq. Its a "mere" ...insulting him..thats all.

And its not illegal to bash him anyways...More or less opinionated. But i bash on him til the day he gets out of office 2008 POLLS HERE WE COME.

[vSkyzv]

USA! SUPPORT THE TROOPS! USA! IRAQI FREEDOM!

I think we should make a signature for all who are for Iraqi liberation from terrorists.

[wap360]

I voted for Leave the Troops there for any other terrerist attacks even though Bush is a lousy president.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

USA! SUPPORT THE TROOPS! USA! IRAQI FREEDOM!

I think we should make a signature for all who are for Iraqi liberation from terrorists.

Great Idea!!! I'm on it...making the sigs now :)

[flamedruid]

And Eddie. you are the first person I actually had a debate with on this for the game...I don't agree with you but i respect you dude. Just remember to find out information on your own.Don't listen to the media or the news as actual factual reporting. It is either to Liberal in their views, or Conservativ (FOX). That is why I dont take the news as fact.

Sorry for the bump..

And how do you explain this information. How do you receive it? How can i be trusted by this person...or this site..AND NOT THE MEDIA. Ofcourse, what do i know. All i do is listen to death metal and receive thoughts of suicide...

Informally corrected able answer. YOU LISTEN TO THE MEDIA, AND THEY SPREAD LIES. But then again, everything is based on what the media tells. Don't try ulling yourself on an average incresent.

How do we stop this war? How do we track down this guy.....We get the hell out of there, and bide our time. Then when we hear reports of a strike, we prepare, and strike back...Isnt it a little ironic that bush knew about the 9/11, even months before it happend? I don't either...I just think of commiting suicide...I'm emo :O:O:O:O

No, i'm not..No i don't, and yes i do believe this is the ironic information. He based his attacks, and he planned them. He even got the idea from his father, who wanted his stalks to go up before Clifford......Damn, can't exactly remember his name. I was like, 6 when he was president...Or something like that. Anyway Elder Bush Senior told Bushjr. to attack.. Plan and receive, simple and denile. They don't care for this country, they would rather have it go to hell. Thats why were in iraq. DUH!!

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

[QUOTE=flamedruid;128302]Sorry for the bump..

And how do you explain this information. How do you receive it? How can i be trusted by this person...or this site..AND NOT THE MEDIA. Ofcourse, what do i know. All i do is listen to death metal and receive thoughts of suicide...

Informally corrected able answer. YOU LISTEN TO THE MEDIA, AND THEY SPREAD LIES. But then again, everything is based on what the media tells. Don't try ulling yourself on an average incresent.

How do we stop this war? How do we track down this guy.....We get the hell out of there, and bide our time. Then when we hear reports of a strike, we prepare, and strike back...Isnt it a little ironic that bush knew about the 9/11, even months before it happend?[QUOTE]

For you're information 1st and 2nd person information is the most reliablebecause it hasn't been distorted by other, 3rd party persons. And no sitting on our *****(srry for language) and waiting to be attacked isnot how you fight a war. Since the dawning of war, attacking the enemy is the greatest defense against that enemy. It is a really simple fact, and has been proven time and time again in real life. And yes we did "hear" about 9/11 beforehand. But do you know how many kids phone in or write about that stuff. There are millions and millions of reporst like that every day. Second of all all that information was incoherant (not brought together) untill AFTER the attack, when we were investigating every piece on information about the attacks. Have you ever heard of the phrase "Hindsight is 20/20" ? Well that IS true. So no, it is NOT ironic that "Bush" knew about the attacks beforehand. Also, in case you don't know it this is a DEMOCRACY with THREE branches. That means that Bush is NOT the SUPREME RULLER. Bush is not at fault for eveything in this country. There is also a Congress too. You never hear anything bad about that do you? I wonder why that is?

And also, if you have nothing intelegent to say, dont post on my topic again. Alright?

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

I would like to see this discusion brought back. It has been good, and is a top rated topic. And Mods, sticky this, I'd aprecieate it.

[vSkyzv]

Bump

I believe there are more Americans supporting the war in Iraq

[qw1ksh0t]

I say we leave our troops in until the Iraqi Army are skilled enough to be in combat without American troops. And yes George Bush is a redneck.

[legolas2305]

YAY! Not all people are morons in this world! Pull out the troops is winning!!!

Bush is the worst leader the world has ever seen.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

YAY! Not all people are morons in this world! Pull out the troops is winning!!!

Bush is the worst leader the world has ever seen.

Really? George Bush is the worst leader the world has ever seen? How is that so? For one I'd like to hear what you would do in this situation. Don't be afraid of answering me, go ahead.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

Please people don't let this thread die. I know that more then 65 people have opinions on this issue, even if you arn't an American.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

Please people don't let this thread die. I know that more then 65 people have opinions on this issue, even if you arn't an American.

YES. Tripple post...srry but noone else is posting :(


POST DANGIT!!!

[maggerz]

i hope u guys dont brand arabs terrorists cuz im from palestinian(the bitches say its israel)im on the arabic side...plz dont call me a terrorist

[flamedruid]

[/QUOTE]For you're information 1st and 2nd person information is the most reliablebecause it hasn't been distorted by other, 3rd party persons. And no sitting on our *****(srry for language) and waiting to be attacked isnot how you fight a war. Since the dawning of war, attacking the enemy is the greatest defense against that enemy. It is a really simple fact, and has been proven time and time again in real life. And yes we did "hear" about 9/11 beforehand. But do you know how many kids phone in or write about that stuff. There are millions and millions of reporst like that every day. Second of all all that information was incoherant (not brought together) untill AFTER the attack, when we were investigating every piece on information about the attacks. Have you ever heard of the phrase "Hindsight is 20/20" ? Well that IS true. So no, it is NOT ironic that "Bush" knew about the attacks beforehand. Also, in case you don't know it this is a DEMOCRACY with THREE branches. That means that Bush is NOT the SUPREME RULLER. Bush is not at fault for eveything in this country. There is also a Congress too. You never hear anything bad about that do you? I wonder why that is?

And also, if you have nothing intelegent to say, dont post on my topic again. Alright?[/QUOTE]

Alright, if i'm not intellegent enough to post here? Please explain why the hell were there? And don't tell me Were there for war..

Reason..causes..Lets learn history.
9/11/01:attack On the World Trade Center. we'll never forget. (This is not where that saying came from)
12/7/41:attack On Pearl Harbor. We'll never forget. (This is not where that saying came from)
(Unsure of the correct date)...1886:Attack On the Mainer.
There is a Cannon in maine, that is from the Battleship. "The Mainer".
Introduce me to this "intellect" that this so called "President" has given us.
We attacked Spain, cause they attacked out Battleship right?
WRONG! We attacked them to retreive land.. And boy did we spark.
We also attacked Vientnam, to gain some land...Cold war? Same thing..

How about The Holocaust? Please explain this to me, why did Hitler attack the Jews? Because they were struken down by everyone else and blamed the Jews.

So now we know all this. Shall i go over it again, to prove to you why we shouldn't be in war?

~Edited~

[flamedruid]

i hope u guys dont brand arabs terrorists cuz im from palestinian(the bitches say its israel)im on the arabic side...plz dont call me a terrorist

Sorry for the double post

I don't brand arabs in this war. I believe this war is for the cause of confinscation.

And after we win. What will the Iraqies do...Go back to their lives.

I believe they will have to BLAME someone else.

No insult to you btw.

[greb]

Saddam gassed his own people. That's an act of genocide and NATO should have gone the next day. He was a dictator, who blatantly needed to be taken out, so we did.

You can give me the whole schpiel about we invaded for gas or land, but i would just have buy you a muzzle. I still pay 3 bucks a gallon, so it obviously hasn't helped our gas crisis. Oh, and look, an Iraqi leader, voted by Iraqi people, making Iraqi decisions. Must be one of our internal spies going after our secret agenda. You watch too many damn movies.

We are the most powerful country on earth. When poor little Africans, or Chinese, or middle eastern kids are getting slaughtered, its our job to go in and take names.

What i really like about the invasion, is that we showed that were not afraid of the Arabs. Next time they look to attack Israel, they know we have no problem taking them out if need be. About time someone supported the Israeli's. They are the strongest people on the face of the earth. Hands down.

[flamedruid]

Are you going against me? Or with me?

And yes, this may be true. But history is just repeating itself..

"Learn history, or it is damned to repeat itself". I'm sure you've all heard this before. And obviously someones not reading.

[greb]

Whos history are we repeating?

[flamedruid]

For you're information 1st and 2nd person information is the most reliablebecause it hasn't been distorted by other, 3rd party persons. And no sitting on our *****(srry for language) and waiting to be attacked isnot how you fight a war. Since the dawning of war, attacking the enemy is the greatest defense against that enemy. It is a really simple fact, and has been proven time and time again in real life. And yes we did "hear" about 9/11 beforehand. But do you know how many kids phone in or write about that stuff. There are millions and millions of reporst like that every day. Second of all all that information was incoherant (not brought together) untill AFTER the attack, when we were investigating every piece on information about the attacks. Have you ever heard of the phrase "Hindsight is 20/20" ? Well that IS true. So no, it is NOT ironic that "Bush" knew about the attacks beforehand. Also, in case you don't know it this is a DEMOCRACY with THREE branches. That means that Bush is NOT the SUPREME RULLER. Bush is not at fault for eveything in this country. There is also a Congress too. You never hear anything bad about that do you? I wonder why that is?

And also, if you have nothing intelegent to say, dont post on my topic again. Alright?[/QUOTE]

Alright, if i'm not intellegent enough to post here? Please explain why the hell were there? And don't tell me Were there for war..

Reason..causes..Lets learn history.
9/11/01:attack On the World Trade Center. we'll never forget. (This is not where that saying came from)
12/7/41:attack On Pearl Harbor. We'll never forget. (This is not where that saying came from)
(Unsure of the correct date)...1886:Attack On the Mainer.
There is a Cannon in maine, that is from the Battleship. "The Mainer".
Introduce me to this "intellect" that this so called "President" has given us.
We attacked Spain, cause they attacked out Battleship right?
WRONG! We attacked them to retreive land.. And boy did we spark.
We also attacked Vientnam, to gain some land...Cold war? Same thing..

How about The Holocaust? Please explain this to me, why did Hitler attack the Jews? Because they were struken down by everyone else and blamed the Jews.

So now we know all this. Shall i go over it again, to prove to you why we shouldn't be in war?

~Edited~[/QUOTE]

All this :\

[greb]

You cant compare 2008 with 1880. ALOT has changed since then. Countries were picking and choosing colonies like candy. That sort of thing has not happened since the sovits began spreading in the 1950's. Thats half a century.

Are you actually saying that we went into Vietnam to gain land? Did we not learn about communism and the domino effect in high school? Lemme guess, we went to Korea to gain land aswell? And in 1991 we invaded Iraq to gain land? And in 1944 we landed on the beaches of France to gain land? You cant just claim that we attacked someone for land without any supporting evidance.

PS. Hitler was a wack job. He attacked Jews because he needed a scapegoat and Jews held alot of money and power in that time period. Oh, wait, and hes a wack job.

[flamedruid]

But you are not learning from this expirience, greb. Do you realize it happens at least a hundred more times frmo the past.
This kind of thign is a very important thing. And by not learning it, its gonna happen again...And idk much about the Korean war, but i just ogt all that information today. In history. I doubt Hitler was a wackjob, and by my Intellect today, and from about 62 years ago, i'm a brilliant person there too.

So god damn it...This is just falling into poportion...JUST LIKE IT DID THEN!!!

[greb]

But you are not learning from this expirience, greb. Do you realize it happens at least a hundred more times frmo the past.
This kind of thign is a very important thing. And by not learning it, its gonna happen again...And idk much about the Korean war, but i just ogt all that information today. In history. I doubt Hitler was a wackjob, and by my Intellect today, and from about 62 years ago, i'm a brilliant person there too.

So god damn it...This is just falling into poportion...JUST LIKE IT DID THEN!!!

We invaded a country 100 times in the past? Im not even aware of more than 10... And Hitler was a wack. You dont have to be stupid to be crazy.

[flamedruid]

100 times?

But a "wackjob" like him did come up with so much. And taking on 3 countries at a time. I do believe he knew what he was doing..

And i didn't including the time consuming of enslavement of the jews either.Reread it...Nvm >.>

~edited~

[SxS]

What you don't see is that the surge in Iraq is working. their capital and now provices are being cleared out of terrorists. they are being pushed out of Iraq and into pakistan. this will be a long war. we must chase them until bin laden is dead, and our country is safe from their pathetic, cowerdly insurrection. they know that they cannot face our military might face to face so they flee and threaten. the fact that they have not managed another attack on our soil is a great thing.

hm... i got more but thats all for now =]

[greb]

100 times?

But a "wackjob" like him did come up with so much. And taking on 3 countries at a time. I do believe he knew what he was doing..

And i didn't including the time consuming of enslavement of the jews either.Reread it...Nvm >.>

~edited~

You said to learn from the experience as it has happened a hundred times in the past. I was just clarifying what you meant, stating that i only recall less about 10 countries that we have physically invaded.

Hitler wasn't an idiot. Like i said, you don't have to be stupid to be crazy. Anyone who singles out a single group of people, whether it be race, religion, hair color etc... and initiates a mass slaughter of those people is crazy. There is no if or but argument. Its sheer madness.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

For you're information 1st and 2nd person information is the most reliablebecause it hasn't been distorted by other, 3rd party persons. And no sitting on our *****(srry for language) and waiting to be attacked isnot how you fight a war. Since the dawning of war, attacking the enemy is the greatest defense against that enemy. It is a really simple fact, and has been proven time and time again in real life. And yes we did "hear" about 9/11 beforehand. But do you know how many kids phone in or write about that stuff. There are millions and millions of reporst like that every day. Second of all all that information was incoherant (not brought together) untill AFTER the attack, when we were investigating every piece on information about the attacks. Have you ever heard of the phrase "Hindsight is 20/20" ? Well that IS true. So no, it is NOT ironic that "Bush" knew about the attacks beforehand. Also, in case you don't know it this is a DEMOCRACY with THREE branches. That means that Bush is NOT the SUPREME RULLER. Bush is not at fault for eveything in this country. There is also a Congress too. You never hear anything bad about that do you? I wonder why that is?

And also, if you have nothing intelegent to say, dont post on my topic again. Alright?[/QUOTE]

Alright, if i'm not intellegent enough to post here? Please explain why the hell were there? And don't tell me Were there for war..

Reason..causes..Lets learn history.
9/11/01:attack On the World Trade Center. we'll never forget. (This is not where that saying came from)
12/7/41:attack On Pearl Harbor. We'll never forget. (This is not where that saying came from)
(Unsure of the correct date)...1886:Attack On the Mainer.
There is a Cannon in maine, that is from the Battleship. "The Mainer".
Introduce me to this "intellect" that this so called "President" has given us.
We attacked Spain, cause they attacked out Battleship right?
WRONG! We attacked them to retreive land.. And boy did we spark.
We also attacked Vientnam, to gain some land...Cold war? Same thing..

How about The Holocaust? Please explain this to me, why did Hitler attack the Jews? Because they were struken down by everyone else and blamed the Jews.

So now we know all this. Shall i go over it again, to prove to you why we shouldn't be in war?

~Edited~[/QUOTE]

Sorry for my language, but what the HELL is your point?! Why are we in this war? Because thousands of Americans have died because of terrorists, and if we don't erradicate readical Islam then MILLIONS more WILL die. Stop going into all this conspiracy crap, alright? None of it has EVER been proven, and is just a reason for unitelegent people to build themselves up in their own, and other's eyes. Like South Park has said, "1/4 of Americans are retarded." And you, kid are one of the 1/4. (srry for the bad quote, not really profesional)

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

Saddam gassed his own people. That's an act of genocide and NATO should have gone the next day. He was a dictator, who blatantly needed to be taken out, so we did.

You can give me the whole schpiel about we invaded for gas or land, but i would just have buy you a muzzle. I still pay 3 bucks a gallon, so it obviously hasn't helped our gas crisis. Oh, and look, an Iraqi leader, voted by Iraqi people, making Iraqi decisions. Must be one of our internal spies going after our secret agenda. You watch too many damn movies.

We are the most powerful country on earth. When poor little Africans, or Chinese, or middle eastern kids are getting slaughtered, its our job to go in and take names.

What i really like about the invasion, is that we showed that were not afraid of the Arabs. Next time they look to attack Israel, they know we have no problem taking them out if need be. About time someone supported the Israeli's. They are the strongest people on the face of the earth. Hands down.

Greb, I have tried to explain this multiple times. But most of these kids are too young to remember what happend. I belive that it was over 500,000 Iraqi citizens that have been gased by Saddam Hussein. The problem is that almost every person here is too protected. There parents try as hard as they can to keep them away from the evil and uglyness of the world. That is both good, and bad, fro reasons that I will not state.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

You cant compare 2008 with 1880. ALOT has changed since then. Countries were picking and choosing colonies like candy. That sort of thing has not happened since the sovits began spreading in the 1950's. Thats half a century.

Are you actually saying that we went into Vietnam to gain land? Did we not learn about communism and the domino effect in high school? Lemme guess, we went to Korea to gain land aswell? And in 1991 we invaded Iraq to gain land? And in 1944 we landed on the beaches of France to gain land? You cant just claim that we attacked someone for land without any supporting evidance.

PS. Hitler was a wack job. He attacked Jews because he needed a scapegoat and Jews held alot of money and power in that time period. Oh, wait, and hes a wack job.

Hmm...I never would have thought that Greb was this well informed, but I really don't know you so...

Anyways yes, Greb does have a point back durring the heart of the Cold War, untill the end of the Vietnam War, our goal and Strategy was to contain the spread of communism. Communism was viewed almost as a disease in the world. And our stratagy was to prevent it from spreading to anymore countries then it already had. Hence the reason we went to war in Vietnam in order to keep South Vietnam, a Capitalist country, from being overrun by Communist North Vientnam. The problem we had in Vietnam was the leadership. We had civilian leaders leading the army and telling the Millitary what to do, rather then the millitary fighting the war by their own will. And my facts ARE correct. This all comes from my best friend's father, who was in the Air Cav during Vietnam. Maybe you all have seen We Were Solders. Yes, he was there, in the battle.

And I know I'm multi posting, but I don't know how to multi-quote in this forum.

[flamedruid]

Someones obviously getting p1ssed here, now were insulting the "fools". And only a fool would throw the first punch, and you sir, have thrown it.

So, where i have to start here...Is, the point i'm forcing apon you is...

The intellgence between Iraq, and those coincedences are, were stealing land from them.

And you msir, are the 1/4 of the idiots who call apon " a war of madness".

Sure, they struck first, but how fair do you think it is to our troops to stay there..The most of them agree with what i say in every action.. Lets see, it seperates family, and it seperates this country. So don't go around being a judgemental moron. Because your only making a fool out of yourself. To critisize my posts is critiquing your stupidity. Nice going *******...

Wow, i never knew there could be so much stupid in a friendly game. You matched my curiousity..Heres an idea. "Don't post here unless your intelegent."

Not the exact quote..But you get what i mean... TARD.

[greb]

Lets not begin attacking each other. Then i have to start giving out infractions, and even though i enjoy that immensely, its time consuming. This is a nice debate we have going here, and everone is entitled to their own opinion.

Sure, they struck first, but how fair do you think it is to our troops to stay there..The most of them agree with what i say in every action.. Lets see, it seperates family, and it separates this country. So don't go around being a judgemental moron. Because your only making a fool out of yourself. To critisize my posts is critiquing your stupidity. Nice going *******...

You see, this is exactly what happens. CNN and Fox News will show a couple of videos of disgruntled soldiers who hate the war, hate Bush, and want to go home, and the public acts like that is written in stone. Its so odd how the soldiers who i know personally, who have been friends of mine since high school just so happen to agree with the war. They all tell me how proud they are to fight for their country, and for the Iraqi people to be free like us. I even had one friend who elected to return for a second tour because he felt it would be disrespectful to those who we lost to leave the job undone.

Our media, sucks. They all have their own personal agendas, and corporate backers who then have their own agendas, and so on goes the cycle until we are being fed utter lies. They dont care about ethics, or the people, they care about ratings and money.

[mreitz]

my cousin is iraq :(

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

Someones obviously getting p1ssed here, now were insulting the "fools". And only a fool would throw the first punch, and you sir, have thrown it.

So, where i have to start here...Is, the point i'm forcing apon you is...

The intellgence between Iraq, and those coincedences are, were stealing land from them.

And you msir, are the 1/4 of the idiots who call apon " a war of madness".

Sure, they struck first, but how fair do you think it is to our troops to stay there..The most of them agree with what i say in every action.. Lets see, it seperates family, and it seperates this country. So don't go around being a judgemental moron. Because your only making a fool out of yourself. To critisize my posts is critiquing your stupidity. Nice going *******...

Wow, i never knew there could be so much stupid in a friendly game. You matched my curiousity..Heres an idea. "Don't post here unless your intelegent."

Not the exact quote..But you get what i mean... TARD.

OK,well to tell you the truth, no WE don't agree with you. And yes I REALLY AM in the Army.I'll admit that noone loves being away from my family, friends, and home, but you know what? That is in the job description. And it is an HONOR to fight for MY country. YES I might die, but if I die, at least I know that it is for a good cause. And I have yet to meet any of my peers that feel differently about the Iraq War.
And when you are on these forums, just remember that it is the blood that WE spilled that gives you the right to do so.

[flamedruid]

I am very aware of that.

And i'd prolly admit too, not because i support the war..cause i don't.

But to get myself killed. I don't think someone whos been through death all their life, and then gone through torture should go through more pain.

Its unfair. But i can't.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

I am very aware of that.

And i'd prolly admit too, not because i support the war..cause i don't.

But to get myself killed. I don't think someone whos been through death all their life, and then gone through torture should go through more pain.

Its unfair. But i can't.

Listen I know this might sound harsh, but GET OVER IT, death is a part of life. It happens and that's it. And yes, I CAN say this. I have had parents killed, grandparents killed, and freinds killed in Iraq. But you don't see me moping around, basically advertiseg deprestion and a obsession with death. YOU ARE ALIVE, be thatnkfull for that and LIVE.

And if you are talking about the solders going through "more pain" WE signed up for this. There are no more Draftees in the Army. We all signed up for it knowing that we might go to war.

[vSkyzv]

Listen I know this might sound harsh, but GET OVER IT, death is a part of life. It happens and that's it. And yes, I CAN say this. I have had parents killed, grandparents killed, and freinds killed in Iraq. But you don't see me moping around, basically advertiseg deprestion and a obsession with death. YOU ARE ALIVE, be thatnkfull for that and LIVE.

And if you are talking about the solders going through "more pain" WE signed up for this. There are no more Draftees in the Army. We all signed up for it knowing that we might go to war.

Both my grandfathers were dead before I known them.

One died escaping from South Vietnam when U.S. troops pulled-out.
I believe he died of malaria.
......

We were in the Vietnamese War to help South Vietnam gain independence from North Vietnam.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

Both my grandfathers were dead before I known them.

One died escaping from South Vietnam when U.S. troops pulled-out.
I believe he died of malaria.
......

We were in the Vietnamese War to help South Vietnam gain independence from North Vietnam.

Then there is only one thing that I can say...Hooah! I for one am gratefull for their sacrifice. They fought, lived, and died protecting the freedoms of the world, they are truly Heros.

[vSkyzv]

I wonder if some people here have been brainwashed by liberal-biased teachers. My fifth grade teacher was one.

Death is a part of life, live with it.

Democracy will prevail

[Pieawesome]

For everyone who says that the wars is killing iraqs and making there life hard well geuss what your wrong we gave them a democracy we give them medicine clothes food a better life then what they had with Saddam and who gets called monsters by the media us thats who so just remember that we gave those people tons of stuff like a better life:cool:

[greb]

For everyone who says that the wars is killing iraqs and making there life hard well geuss what your wrong we gave them a democracy we give them medicine clothes food a better life then what they had with Saddam and who gets called monsters by the media us thats who so just remember that we gave those people tons of stuff like a better life:cool:

The winner for longest run-on sentence ever. Congrats.

[vSkyzv]

Let's revive the talk, shall we? Like my flag?

What do you think about the MoveOn.org ad?

[flamedruid]

Ready for this?

*bump* Woot, i did it :P

[vSkyzv]

MoveOn.org is going after Bush now, not surprised.

That was a waste of $60,000 since General Petraeus has a better approval rating than Bush and Congress combined. 63% approval.

And usually NY Times post advertisements for $180,000. Unsurprised still. Also not surprised they had to shrink their paper size by .5 inches. :p

Any who where did MoveOn.org get money from if all they did was nothing but protest?

[Pieawesome]

The winner for longest run-on sentence ever. Congrats.
thanks for the complement greb bump:D

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

Um this thread has gone downhill. What happened to the debates. Can someone come up wit something controversial about Iraq? I'm all out of ideas and time to think of anymore right now.

[vSkyzv]

Um this thread has gone downhill. What happened to the debates. Can someone come up wit something controversial about Iraq? I'm all out of ideas and time to think of anymore right now.

i think it's dead.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

i think it's dead.

Yea, unfortunatly I think you're right. YA FREAKING OSAMA HUGGING COMMIES!!!!


^^^
Maybe now someone will answer.

And it's not flamming because this is my thread.

[LuckyStrikes]

Im totally for it! the war was nessecary- if we didnt go and fight terrorism at its soruce than we would probably have suffered a second 9/11 attack. and if we pull out now, all the lives lost in the effort to keep the freedom we share enduring will be for nothing. It is not right to put the descision to pull out or stay be decided in a senate halfway around the world. Politicians dont really know what its like over there, and the populace hears only what the liberal-controlled media tells them; the war is a lost cause, and we hear only the bad of what is happening beyond our borders. Let the military leaders who are in the theater of opereations decide what to do, not politicians in DC. just a fact: the Russian army (during World War II) within 3 DAYS of fighting suffered the same amount of losses we have endured over the 3 or so years weve been fighting- in three days. and they still pushed on relentlesly

Dont pull the troops out! not yet, stay in the fight

[USxWarrior]

Hmmm...I might actually have to switch to the "pull the troops out" side. No one is disagreeing with me:(




Formally known as xxxMetallicaxxx

[militia]

i didn't go through the 160 posts on this thread, so i'll just start from what i see =)

Im totally for it! the war was nessecary- if we didnt go and fight terrorism at its soruce than we would probably have suffered a second 9/11 attack.

Politicians dont really know what its like over there, and the populace hears only what the liberal-controlled media tells them;

Dont pull the troops out! not yet, stay in the fight

what's up lucky.

I'm sorry to say bro, but I highly doubt you know too much about the source of terrorism. When I went to Iraq three years ago (stationed mostly around the NW bit of the Zagros mountain range), I was a bit dazed myself upon finding the truth in detail. Over the two year time that I was there, I learned quite a lot from our commanding officers and Iraqi civilians. Believe it or not, United States is the main source of terrorism. A few years prior to the '91 persian gulf war, America was allowed permission from the UN to go down to Iraq and provide full army-style training to civilians. Now after the war was over, those guys had nothing better to do, so they formed their own secret band of soldiers & and it grew everyday from there on out. One day I spoke directly to a guerrilla from Mujahideen (a group of insurgents that was again, trained & funded by CIA -- you can find facts online if you think otherwise). Anyway, he put it to me in layman's terms.. "Okay tell me, you being a highly trained soldier, if someone were to break in your house and be a danger to your family, would you or would you not revolt? And when you would revolt, would they consider it a crime or self-defense? Then why are we considered terrorists, and not soldiers of our motherland?"

Man, that guy honestly shut me up & changed my entire view.

What I'm trying to say is, America IS the *main* source of terrorism. Those guys don't have anything against western civilization, but they do NOT want foreigners to come in their land and basically do everything that goes against their religion.

As far as the 9/11 attack goes, that's a whole different story. Usama Bin Laden was a weapon for CIA in the 80's, he was trained by them too. There have been facts leading it to a conspiracy, but that's too vast of a topic for me to touch on this forum. Watch the video 'loose change' on google, it's about 9/11 conspiracy.

Alright, lastly.. you said politicians don't know what it's like over there & I agree with you a hundred percent. But, then you had to finish off your statement with "Don't pull the troops out! Not yet! Stay in and fight!" How are you any different from a politician? ..sigh, dude, only if you knew the harsh reality. It's so easy for you guys to just say "Ya, go over there and blow some heads off" Lol, we're not Spartans from 300! The outlook on war changes greatly after you witness your own friends laying there in a pool of blood, and that too in some foreign country. Sometimes their bodies aren't even fit enough to be buried. So many fellow Marines committed suicide there, and if they weren't successful, then they did it here back home.

The truth is that it's harsh to knowingly kill someone who is on the verge of being innocent.

I apologize for my essay, but I just had to add to your post. My apologies if I offended anyone.

On other news, Manchester United beat SC Portugal yesterday... wo0t!

[DeathAtEaster]

NO. It's been too long, and anyway, I don't think Bush knows quite how much people are suffering.

[LuckyStrikes]

thnaks for setting me striaght,

i still stick to my opinion, because im stuborn like that

and i could spew off about my religious views about this and about everyithing but i wont-

[USxWarrior]

i didn't go through the 160 posts on this thread, so i'll just start from what i see =)



what's up lucky.

I'm sorry to say bro, but I highly doubt you know too much about the source of terrorism. When I went to Iraq three years ago (stationed mostly around the NW bit of the Zagros mountain range), I was a bit dazed myself upon finding the truth in detail. Over the two year time that I was there, I learned quite a lot from our commanding officers and Iraqi civilians. Believe it or not, United States is the main source of terrorism. A few years prior to the '91 persian gulf war, America was allowed permission from the UN to go down to Iraq and provide full army-style training to civilians. Now after the war was over, those guys had nothing better to do, so they formed their own secret band of soldiers & and it grew everyday from there on out. One day I spoke directly to a guerrilla from Mujahideen (a group of insurgents that was again, trained & funded by CIA -- you can find facts online if you think otherwise). Anyway, he put it to me in layman's terms.. "Okay tell me, you being a highly trained soldier, if someone were to break in your house and be a danger to your family, would you or would you not revolt? And when you would revolt, would they consider it a crime or self-defense? Then why are we considered terrorists, and not soldiers of our motherland?"

Man, that guy honestly shut me up & changed my entire view.

What I'm trying to say is, America IS the *main* source of terrorism. Those guys don't have anything against western civilization, but they do NOT want foreigners to come in their land and basically do everything that goes against their religion.

As far as the 9/11 attack goes, that's a whole different story. Usama Bin Laden was a weapon for CIA in the 80's, he was trained by them too. There have been facts leading it to a conspiracy, but that's too vast of a topic for me to touch on this forum. Watch the video 'loose change' on google, it's about 9/11 conspiracy.

Alright, lastly.. you said politicians don't know what it's like over there & I agree with you a hundred percent. But, then you had to finish off your statement with "Don't pull the troops out! Not yet! Stay in and fight!" How are you any different from a politician? ..sigh, dude, only if you knew the harsh reality. It's so easy for you guys to just say "Ya, go over there and blow some heads off" Lol, we're not Spartans from 300! The outlook on war changes greatly after you witness your own friends laying there in a pool of blood, and that too in some foreign country. Sometimes their bodies aren't even fit enough to be buried. So many fellow Marines committed suicide there, and if they weren't successful, then they did it here back home.

The truth is that it's harsh to knowingly kill someone who is on the verge of being innocent.

I apologize for my essay, but I just had to add to your post. My apologies if I offended anyone.

On other news, Manchester United beat SC Portugal yesterday... wo0t!



--Ok you know what you are talking about. But, when I'm in the field, the last thing i think about when someone pops out of a dorrway with an AK-47 is weather or not he has the "right" to do so. No, its much more simple. He is trying to kill me, and I'm going to use my training and my abilities to kill him. THAT is what it comes down to.

[militia]

Lucky,

I sense sarcasm in your post? Lol, I was only telling it to you from a soldier's point of view.

--Ok you know what you are talking about. But, when I'm in the field, the last thing i think about when someone pops out of a dorrway with an AK-47 is weather or not he has the "right" to do so. No, its much more simple. He is trying to kill me, and I'm going to use my training and my abilities to kill him. THAT is what it comes down to.

A fellow Marine? If you don't mind my asking brother.. where were you based off of, who were the commanding officers? It's a small world, maybe we bumped into each other =)

Moving on, I don't disagree with the fact that we are sent out there to follow orders & I did it damn well, but still, morals are morals (at least for me). I merely told the other dude the actual source of terrorism, I didn't discuss what a soldier should or should not do when approached by armed militants... obviously we'd use everything we've got to make sure it isn't us that makes the headlines next day as a "lost soldier., that will be eternally remembered"

K, this time YOU answer the question the insurgent asked me. If a few people armed with weapons break-in your house one night, would you or would you not pick up the gun to defend your family? If you wouldn't, then it'd mean two things... either you're a coward, or you accept defeat because you don't care about your family. And if you would, then it doesn't make your motive any different from theirs.

Let's face it, we fight because we follow orders, they fight to keep us off their land. Whose "fight" is more justified? It's a fact that a lot of the kids enlist in the marines because they're either screw-up's, can't go to college like regular kids, or do it just for the easy money/benefits. Very few people join it because they willingly want to defend our country.

I can't wait to go back in December.

Ez

[Kirika]

I think we should pull out of Iraq. It's not helping us eliminate terrorism. There are other ways to make people stop using terrorism: namely by capturing Osama Bin Laden. Ever call computer tech support? You call but you're put on hold for 15 minutes. You don't want to waste those 15 minutes so you wait another 15. You've spent 30 minutes on hold. Is it wise to keep on holding on longer, even if you do not know how much longer you have to wait? Psychologically, the driving force is to just keep on waiting on hold, so the 30 minutes already spent aren't wasted. Are you going to "persevere so the loss won't be in vain"? Will you continue to persevere if your losses double yet again? I do not mean to imply that minutes are on the same order of magnitude as lives. But we need to know that this psychological effect is a pitfall.

[USxWarrior]

I think we should pull out of Iraq. It's not helping us eliminate terrorism. There are other ways to make people stop using terrorism: namely by capturing Osama Bin Laden. Ever call computer tech support? You call but you're put on hold for 15 minutes. You don't want to waste those 15 minutes so you wait another 15. You've spent 30 minutes on hold. Is it wise to keep on holding on longer, even if you do not know how much longer you have to wait? Psychologically, the driving force is to just keep on waiting on hold, so the 30 minutes already spent aren't wasted. Are you going to "persevere so the loss won't be in vain"? Will you continue to persevere if your losses double yet again? I do not mean to imply that minutes are on the same order of magnitude as lives. But we need to know that this psychological effect is a pitfall.

Um first of all there are many reasons that this war is different then any others(not including the occupation of Afghanastan, and Napoleon's invasion of Spain.) The fact is, if we pull out, that will give the insurgants a stronger foothold, look what happend to Afghanastan after the Soviets pulled out, Al-Queda became a world-wide organization, and had better training, tactics, and were more motivated because they "won" the war. And the problem right now is mostly a clash of Cultures. It isn't just agains terrorism. The fact is, a Western Democracy cannot take hold in the middle east without destroying their culture, and that will never happen.
And you make it sound like we are losing millions of solders in this war. We have only lost aprox.3,000. ANd that is over years of this conflict. Look at any other war. WWII, I'm pretty sure we lost more then 3,000 troops. WWI we lost more then 3,000 troops. The Civil War we lost more then 3,000troops. And Napoleon, in his war against insurgents lost over 50,000 in a time period aprox. the same as this war. Tactically speaking this war is the greates victory of all time. The problem is that Politicaly speaking this war is as great a failure as Vietnam.
This is a war of cultures. There never has been a war against insurgency won in a short period of time. They usally last decades, even centuries. The fact is, we are on the way to succeding in the shortest amount of time. Partly because we are able to adapt our Army and military to the war, rather then having to worry about the Soviet forces coming across the border. We are able to use money spent on subs, and a giant naval force, on tactics and equipment more suited for the war we are in now.

[USxWarrior]

*bump* IF NO ONE RELPIES ILL KILL YOU ALL ;)

[vSkyzv]

*bump* IF NO ONE RELPIES ILL KILL YOU ALL ;)

I think you already killed the 5th amendment

Wow 50\50

40 want out
40 stay in

[USxWarrior]

I think you already killed the 5th amendment

Wow 50\50

40 want out
40 stay in

Yea funny thing is that it says 51.78% for each of them.

I didn't kill the 5th Amendment, I just am ignoring it ;)

[flamedruid]

Wow...Hows this for a clamactic thing.

*Bump* OMG, am i the bumping king... :o
Jesus, i'm going to hell for this...!!
Haha..I still disagree with the war.

For conventional reasons at that too. But i'm only trying to keep this alive. How, about we let Flamedruid, and i think Militia talk about how much we disagree with that war; if he is disagreeing with the war...:|
Anyway yeah...BUMPED AGAIN!!!

[militia]

Anything & everything is *unjust* if you can't justify your motive, and in this case... there really is not even a motive that you CAN justify.

If any of you have time & want to hear another view from a former US Army Ranger, here's a good video. It's twenty minutes long & he stutters every other line, but I assure you he speaks the truth for most part. And his view is shared by NUMEROUS amounts of people that return from there.

Part 1 - http://youtube.com/watch?v=rvZyMsrFY_Q

Part 2 - http://youtube.com/watch?v=N_66qYQnC4c

[USxWarrior]

Two things.

First the ultimate point of war, is to strike fear into the hearts of the enemy. Making them rethink what they are doing, and making the consequences for disobedience so high, they outway the gains that the individuel makes. This has always been a big factor in war.

Second. Yes it is horrible that we have to kill the civilians. I am not going to say that it is needed, or that it is for a bigger cause, but I will say that this is what ends up happening in war. Solders die, civilians die. In WWII you never hear about US solders killing civilians. It has happend, and it will continue happening. It is horrible, and is often counterproductive. But it is one of the things that happens in war.

[USxWarrior]

...........

[Fatality]

^Wtf was the point of that second post?

[USxWarrior]

^Wtf was the point of that second post?

Dare you doubt my immense wisdom?! begone!

No, I accidentally posted the same thing twice, so I just did an edit, because I couldn't delete the post.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

*bump*


Oh and this is the tread that I will keep alive. Not because it is on Pawn, but because of it's topic. <--Plus the thread has nothing to do with Pawn.

[Knux57]

The reason that the troops are there in the first place is because we're trying to re-establish Iraq and there's still terrorists over there, and the Iraqis need help dealing with them.

[vSkyzv]

Anything & everything is *unjust* if you can't justify your motive, and in this case... there really is not even a motive that you CAN justify.

If any of you have time & want to hear another view from a former US Army Ranger, here's a good video. It's twenty minutes long & he stutters every other line, but I assure you he speaks the truth for most part. And his view is shared by NUMEROUS amounts of people that return from there.

Part 1 - http://youtube.com/watch?v=rvZyMsrFY_Q

Part 2 - http://youtube.com/watch?v=N_66qYQnC4c

That is not the majority of the army. You just made up numerous. This is a very good example of liberal media trying to brainwash Americans.

[xxxMetallicaxxx]

That is not the majority of the army. You just made up numerous. This is a very good example of liberal media trying to brainwash Americans.

Um he never said that it was the general consensus. Just that numerous people have this opinion. This can range from 2-infinity people. It doesnt mean the majority, and the majority opionion for the war, among the armed forces is actually for staying. He isn't making up facts, he is just putting a spin on things to make it sound like it supports his own views. Nothing he said has been false. And I have to comend this guy on a good job at doing so :) although I DO support the war.

[militia]

That is not the majority of the army. You just made up numerous. This is a very good example of liberal media trying to brainwash Americans.

If you agree that 'liberal media' brainwashes Americans, then I hope you also understand that the American media brainwashes its people just as much. That's what media is, 99% over-exaggerated crap. So if *most* of YOUR sources are from the media, how are you going to hold a valid argument? ..just take a few minutes are think about it.. you think the way you think mainly because of the same brainwashing media.

I'm not in the Army, so I can't say whether or not majority of the Army thinks that or not. I am however a Marine, and I spent around two years in the Middle Eastern region myself -- so take my word, "numerous" soldiers that have spent time there feel the same way. Like I said earlier, this War would be justified if the motive(s) were strong enough. Sadly, there aren't many.. so go ahead and list a motive for this war, and I'll continue to tell you why it's all out of proportion...

[Pooshonmyshoos]

i didn't go through the 160 posts on this thread, so i'll just start from what i see =)



what's up lucky.

I'm sorry to say bro, but I highly doubt you know too much about the source of terrorism. When I went to Iraq three years ago (stationed mostly around the NW bit of the Zagros mountain range), I was a bit dazed myself upon finding the truth in detail. Over the two year time that I was there, I learned quite a lot from our commanding officers and Iraqi civilians. Believe it or not, United States is the main source of terrorism. A few years prior to the '91 persian gulf war, America was allowed permission from the UN to go down to Iraq and provide full army-style training to civilians. Now after the war was over, those guys had nothing better to do, so they formed their own secret band of soldiers & and it grew everyday from there on out. One day I spoke directly to a guerrilla from Mujahideen (a group of insurgents that was again, trained & funded by CIA -- you can find facts online if you think otherwise). Anyway, he put it to me in layman's terms.. "Okay tell me, you being a highly trained soldier, if someone were to break in your house and be a danger to your family, would you or would you not revolt? And when you would revolt, would they consider it a crime or self-defense? Then why are we considered terrorists, and not soldiers of our motherland?"

Man, that guy honestly shut me up & changed my entire view.

What I'm trying to say is, America IS the *main* source of terrorism. Those guys don't have anything against western civilization, but they do NOT want foreigners to come in their land and basically do everything that goes against their religion.

As far as the 9/11 attack goes, that's a whole different story. Usama Bin Laden was a weapon for CIA in the 80's, he was trained by them too. There have been facts leading it to a conspiracy, but that's too vast of a topic for me to touch on this forum. Watch the video 'loose change' on google, it's about 9/11 conspiracy.

Alright, lastly.. you said politicians don't know what it's like over there & I agree with you a hundred percent. But, then you had to finish off your statement with "Don't pull the troops out! Not yet! Stay in and fight!" How are you any different from a politician? ..sigh, dude, only if you knew the harsh reality. It's so easy for you guys to just say "Ya, go over there and blow some heads off" Lol, we're not Spartans from 300! The outlook on war changes greatly after you witness your own friends laying there in a pool of blood, and that too in some foreign country. Sometimes their bodies aren't even fit enough to be buried. So many fellow Marines committed suicide there, and if they weren't successful, then they did it here back home.

The truth is that it's harsh to knowingly kill someone who is on the verge of being innocent.

I apologize for my essay, but I just had to add to your post. My apologies if I offended anyone.

On other news, Manchester United beat SC Portugal yesterday... wo0t!
What I'm trying to say is, America IS the *main* source of terrorism. Those guys don't have anything against western civilization, but they do NOT want foreigners to come in their land and basically do everything that goes against their religion.


WAFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFLEEEEEEEEEEEEEES LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWW WWWWLLLLLLLLLLL
HAHAHAHAHAHA

Thats all I have to say.

[militia]

You never quit, do ya?

Thanks for quoting me, other people might get a glimpse since they might not have the first time =b

I will still stand by my statement.

well.. oh mighty pawngame freedom-fighter, I know it hurts to be demoted.. but it's okay, I'm sure God has something better in-store for you! Just keep on believing.. *sheds a tear for your loss*

'night

[Pooshonmyshoos]

You never quit, do ya?

Thanks for quoting me, other people might get a glimpse since they might not have the first time =b

I will still stand by my statement.

well.. oh mighty pawngame freedom-fighter, I know it hurts to be demoted.. but it's okay, I'm sure God has something better in-store for you! Just keep on believing.. *sheds a tear for your loss*

'night

Your sarcasm and flaming comments are going to get you banned from this board. ^.^

I am sorry that America does not let foreigners into our country like almost EVERY other country. I am also sorry we don't have FREEDOM in this country so ANY religion is allowed. I am sorry America actually fights terrorism unlike other wimp countrys that are going to get screwed like we did on September 11th. If you lost 3000 people in a terrorist attack would your country pull out your troops? Na. ^.^

That good sarcasm toward your statement?

[Pooshonmyshoos]

Militia
Replying to Thread Iraq? @ 03:47 AM

Thought you were sleeping?

[militia]

I made it a note to myself to not use inappropriate words on the forum, and every post I've made has been on-topic. As far as flaming goes, you guys "flamed" Blank101 countless amounts of time, and I did basically the same thing stating my own opinion about you. Banned for sarcasm? I hope not, *sob*.

Okay, opposing your statement.. here are some facts.

*MOSTLY every other country does allow foreigners (even in the Middle East).

*Diverse religions are practiced in various parts of the world.


Then you said other countries are "wimps," because "unlike America, they don't fight terrorism." Okay, and which countries would that be? Your argument is way out of the box. Like I said previously, America is the source of terrorism (actually take the time to read my posts sometimes).. so of course America will fight it. UN would never allow America to barge in Iraq, thus the happening of all these tragic events.

The truth is out there, please do your research.

And I just realized you barely turned 17, so I will NOT argue with you about THIS matter. Your comment was idiotic & really shows your level of knowledge, enough said.

I have to catch up on sleep. I just turned off the e-mail notification option that messaged me every time someone replied to my post. Good night Poosh =)


Edit: You said "your country," but I think you missed the part where I stated I am a Marine. Marines only exist here in United States. Lawl.

[Pooshonmyshoos]

I made it a note to myself to not use inappropriate words on the forum, and every post I've made has been on-topic. As far as flaming goes, you guys "flamed" Blank101 countless amounts of time, and I did basically the same thing stating my own opinion about you. Banned for sarcasm? I hope not, *sob*.

Okay, opposing your statement.. here are some facts.

*MOSTLY every other country does allow foreigners (even in the Middle East).

*Diverse religions are practiced in various parts of the world.


Then you said other countries are "wimps," because "unlike America, they don't fight terrorism." Okay, and which countries would that be? Your argument is way out of the box. Like I said previously, America is the source of terrorism (actually take the time to read my posts sometimes).. so of course America will fight it. UN would never allow America to barge in Iraq, thus the happening of all these tragic events.

The truth is out there, please do your research.

And I just realized you barely turned 17, so I will NOT argue with you about THIS matter. Your comment was idiotic & really shows your level of knowledge, enough said.

I have to catch up on sleep. I just turned off the e-mail notification option that messaged me every time someone replied to my post. Good night Poosh =)


Edit: You said "your country," but I think you missed the part where I stated I am a Marine. Marines only exist here in United States. Lawl.



The birth date on my account is not the same, sucks for you.

Also not banned for sarcasm but for flaming, like you know calling people douchebags. ^.^

The "tragic" events happened before we went to war.
And oh, I am sorry American is the only one with enough guts to take down a dictator that killed thousands of his own people, just to see if his own bomb worked. ^.^

I have never flamed Blank101 in no way shape or form, so I don't want to hear it. In all threads that people do, I always say "I don't support this or, don't say that etc".


Last I checked, I need a passport for any country I go to. :( Including Canada. I can't just barge into Mexico or Jamaica or England unannounced Can I? Nope.


Pretty sad you fight for a country you can't even believe in then, I highly doubt your in the military then. :( If so, shame on you for giving them a bad name.

Also why do you even come to these forums if you don't like talking to young people, I know you want to play the game, but 80% of the users are like 14 and younger. Complaining how young you think I am yet everyone surrounded by you might as well be half your age.

[militia]

The "tragic" events happened before we went to war.
Uh? That's the same thing I said. The towers came down in 2001, and 2003 was when the invasion of Iraq begin. They used WTC as an excuse, and their 'reason' was because they had doubt that Iraq was developing nuclear weapons. It's been more than four years, and last time I checked.. they still haven't found a single nuke. Although, America did sell Saddam chemical weapons during the Ronald Reagan election.


And oh, I am sorry American is the only one with enough guts to take down a dictator that killed thousands of his own people
America is the only one, huh? Wrong. Most of the troops in Middle East are from Britain, Australia, Denmark & Poland. A dictator that took down thousands of people? For a minute, I thought you were talking about Bush taking down the towers. Rofl, as for Saddam -- so many Arabs (the people of the Middle East), SUPPORTED Saddam; he was their leader, he fought for Palestine. Put two-n-two together. Saddam was for Palestine, America was with Israel.


Last I checked, I need a passport for any country I go to. :( Including Canada. I can't just barge into Mexico or Jamaica or England unannounced Can I? Nope.
You need a passport for any country you go to? Wrong again. You need to be either a citizen of America, or have an American passport to gain entry in other borders. Where are you making this stuff up from? You can't just barge into America either, you obviously have never left the states. US gives tourist visas, and people decide to illegally stay here.. America has never allowed it. Some mexican people wait up to 10-15 years before America even allows them to visit for a few months, what's your point? You can't enter ANY country without have proof of residence.


Pretty sad you fight for a country you can't even believe in then, I highly doubt your in the military then. :( If so, shame on you for giving them a bad name.
I put my life on line, and went there only to glorify a hypocritical flag. You're telling me I'm giving our forces a bad name? The only thing I am ashamed of is I went out there to lose so many friends & witness so many tragedies... all without a cause, other than for the good name of America. I'm also ashamed of myself because I endured all the suffering for lousy Americans like yourself. I highly regret it, and I will regret it when I go back in December. Shame on me.


*America funded Al-Qaeda, yet now they blame Islam (the Muslim religion). Bin Laden worked for the CIA, and they gave him billions of dollars to fund his purpose.

*Militants in Iraq don't fight for Saddam. They fight for self-esteem & survival. You ever hit someone at a club or a bar simply because they looked at you wrong? Imagine if they were shooting at you, or raping your mother.


Yo, and all this researching you're doing by digging up my posts & going through the time to read them all & finding flaws... you only proved to me that my comments upset you. I shouldn't get banned, maybe an infraction? That'd probably be the highlight of your life huh?

[Pooshonmyshoos]

Your a classic Anti-American Hero, congrats.

U.S. President Bill Clinton (1993-2001), maintained sanctions and made occasional air strikes in the Iraqi no-fly zones or other restrictions, in the hope that Saddam would be overthrown by his many political enemies. Congress passed the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998, an official statement of US policy calling for political change in Iraq.

Yup, bush really started the whole Iraq war. ^.^

Or more than likely he just finished a Job BC & congress left behind. (we all know he did it as terrorism, but that right their gives him the power of Iraqi Freedom)

By the beginning of April, U.S.-led forces occupied much of Iraq. The resistance of the much-weakened Iraqi Army either crumbled or shifted to guerrilla tactics, and it appeared that Saddam had lost control of Iraq. He was last seen in a video which purported to show him in the Baghdad suburbs surrounded by supporters. When Baghdad fell to U.S-led forces on April 9, Saddam was nowhere to be found.


Hmmmmm , US forces LED? Hmmmmmm. P.S Britian is withdrawing there troops as well.

Specific charges included the murder of 148 people, torture of women and children and the illegal arrest of 399 others.[33] Among the many challenges of the trial were:

Oh so your saying its not okay for them to kill your friends yet he kills other men women and children and its okay?

Poland had earlier claimed that it would withdraw all soldiers by the end of 2006. It however extended the mandate of its contingent through at least mid-2007. Denmark announced that it would withdraw its troop contingent by August 2007

So much for poland and denmark.

n February 21, 2007, British Prime Minister Tony Blair announced that 600 British troops would return home within the next few months, with another 500 to follow by the end of 2007, leaving approximately 5,000 troops on the ground topping off at a 40000 all time high.

So much for great britain.

As of 01 March 2006 there were 133,000 US troops in Iraq, down from about 160,000 in

Looks like we got the highest number topped.

And IDK exact data now but I remember recently we got like 100k + troops there.

[militia]

Your a classic Anti-American Hero, congrats.
I'm anything but Anti-American. You however, ARE a freaking crybaby. You don't have anything to say to me, so you keep finding things to argue about. Way too emo for me, makes me wanna cry too... *sniff*.


U.S. President Bill Clinton (1993-2001), maintained sanctions and made occasional air strikes in the Iraqi no-fly zones or other restrictions, in the hope that Saddam would be overthrown by his many political enemies. Congress passed the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998, an official statement of US policy calling for political change in Iraq.
Good copy & paste from Wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein#2003_invasion_of_Iraq) - 1st Paragraph.
I asked you to research.. so you could have an opinion of your own, not try to win an argument by copying & pasting. Gulf War was in 80's, and the 'Second' Gulf War was in the 90's. America does NOT have the authority to just barge in someone's country, it wouldn't have been possible for us to occupy Iraq without the towers falling down. Air-Strikes, and sending out thousands of troops are two different things. If the towers had not fallen, Bush could not have sent the troops to Iraq in search of some "mysterious" militant. Another excuse was Usama Bin Laden.. isn't it funny how they claimed to have killed him, and then sent in tons of more troops after he was mysteriously alive? Rofl, are you freaking kidding me? This isn't a damn Hollywood Movie.


Yup, bush really started the whole Iraq war.
I never said that, there you go yet AGAIN randomly saying stuff. By the way, look at the title of the paragraphs you copied, "2003 Invasion of Iraq"


Or more than likely he just finished a Job BC & congress left behind. (we all know he did it as terrorism, but that right their gives him the power of Iraqi Freedom)
Yes, this statement IS your own, and I can tell because it doesn't make any sense. Lol, it honestly doesn't make any sense.


By the beginning of April, U.S.-led forces occupied much of Iraq. The resistance of the much-weakened Iraqi Army either crumbled or shifted to guerrilla tactics, and it appeared that Saddam had lost control of Iraq. He was last seen in a video which purported to show him in the Baghdad suburbs surrounded by supporters. When Baghdad fell to U.S-led forces on April 9, Saddam was nowhere to be found.
Another copy & paste from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein#2003_invasion_of_Iraq) - Fourth paragraph.




Specific charges included the murder of 148 people, torture of women and children and the illegal arrest of 399 others. Oh so your saying its not okay for them to kill your friends yet he kills other men women and children and its okay?
Wth, when did I say that? You're seriously ignorant, kid. Well, so YOU are saying it's not okay if Iraqis kill Iraqis, but it's okay if Americans kill Iraqis? Again, all of your knowledge is based on what you've seen on TV, you don't even know about most of the things you mentioned.


Looks like we got the highest number topped.
Alright, and that's a good thing? Lol. You started by calling other countries wimps because they didn't do anything, and I just told you that OTHER countries also were involved. Why do you keep forgetting older arguments and start new ones? Stupidity.


Dude, you just say random stuff and start new arguments. I honestly think you're very ignorant on this 'subject', so I suggest you get back to debating about the drama on pawn. If you can tell me why you feel the way you do about War, I'd be happy to debate with ya, otherwise you're wasting my time.

[Pooshonmyshoos]

You tell me to do my research then say how I copied everything, from my research. Is that not ironic? Funny how you had nothing to say about the number of troops besides the high number. ^.^ So maybe you should do your research before you start. ^.^

America was the first to act on everything, not other countrys.

P.S I am glad GWB went to war, if they believe in death, let them die.

[vSkyzv]

The army ranger was really a phony soldier and I will use that term whenever I want. He lied about his service and didn't even finish boot camp before a discharge.

[vSkyzv]

I put my life on line, and went there only to glorify a hypocritical flag. You're telling me I'm giving our forces a bad name? The only thing I am ashamed of is I went out there to lose so many friends & witness so many tragedies... all without a cause, other than for the good name of America. I'm also ashamed of myself because I endured all the suffering for lousy Americans like yourself. I highly regret it, and I will regret it when I go back in December. Shame on me.

How dare you. You are a disgrace to America and you do not deserve the title of "American". The United States armed forces are volunteer. If you did not want to join this "hypocritical" army then don't enlist ffs.

*America funded Al-Qaeda, yet now they blame Islam (the Muslim religion). Bin Laden worked for the CIA, and they gave him billions of dollars to fund his purpose.

The United States funded Al-Qaeda when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. We never knew Bin Laden would betray us. We wanted to fight the Soviets through a proxy war. When has this "blame Islam" happened?

*Militants in Iraq don't fight for Saddam. They fight for self-esteem & survival. You ever hit someone at a club or a bar simply because they looked at you wrong? Imagine if they were shooting at you, or raping your mother.

Militants don't fight for self-esteem or for survival. They believe the Qur'an says to wage holy war on the United States and Israel.

[militia]

How dare you. You are a disgrace to America and you do not deserve the title of "American". The United States armed forces are volunteer. If you did not want to join this "hypocritical" army then don't enlist ffs.

The United States funded Al-Qaeda when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. We never knew Bin Laden would betray us. We wanted to fight the Soviets through a proxy war. When has this "blame Islam" happened?

Militants don't fight for self-esteem or for survival. They believe the Qur'an says to wage holy war on the United States and Israel.

How dare I what? I'm not a disgrace to America, it would've made more sense if you said I was disgraced to be a part of something so STUPID. I never said the forces were hypocritical, but the image of "America" quite certainly is. I take more pride than anyone else in this country, we are talking about this so called "war" being JUSTIFIED or NOT. It isn't even a effing war, all we do is go overpower women & kids. You're really brainwashed man, why don't you go look at the statistics for the amount of people that commit suicide upon arriving home. What do you think causes them to do it? ..their happy family back home? Lol, as far as the military being volunteer.. I volunteered, and I will finish my term successfully. What I have done, and will do for this country is a lot better than what you do for it now. You don't believe me, someone who's been there and seen EVERYTHING, yet you want to believe FOX News, lol. K, come enlist -- I'll put in a good word for you so they go easy on you in bootcamp & let you play pawngame (jokes) =b

The Qu'ran does *NOT* say to wage war against anyone. They say to defend their religion. Strip clubs, alcohol, partying & all the stuff we love in America is against their religion.. and they don't want us to take over their home and settle down. What don't you get? I thought just like a lot of you, but I had to see it for myself to change... I guess I should leave you to your state.

Screw this.. the internet isn't a good place to discuss politics or war/conspiracies.

I won't argue with you anymore in this thread, just PM me if you want to have a debate. I only have a few months left, might as well play the game sometimes instead of wasting my time on the forums arguing with people who only have 'media' as a source.

safe

[USAxWarrior]

Actually I highly doubt that Militia is in the Armed forces. First of all you disrespeced the flag. Don't believe me, re-read your post. Secondly, you argue, and type like some kid, trying to sound tough. Third of all. If you were still in the Marines, you wouldn't openly be saying this crap. Plus your opinion sudenly changed. First you wanted to go back to Iraq. Now you want to stay

[SgtFrost]

im all for the troops. get that straight. *sgt is the perfect rank*

ok well they know wat they r doing out there. if they want to stay let them because they want to protect their country if they dont want to stay and just want to go back home , well then i respect that too cus u cant stay there forever. point is that they r doing their job which will soon be my job very soon.

so they do wat they have to do. cus i know alot of soldiers that have been to iraq. they r my friends and they were the ones who trained me in the military ways * salute*

[Pooshonmyshoos]

Actually I highly doubt that Militia is in the Armed forces. First of all you disrespeced the flag. Don't believe me, re-read your post. Secondly, you argue, and type like some kid, trying to sound tough. Third of all. If you were still in the Marines, you wouldn't openly be saying this crap. Plus your opinion sudenly changed. First you wanted to go back to Iraq. Now you want to stay

He is a Phony Soldier.

[USAxWarrior]

He is a Phony Soldier.

That is exactly what I was saying. And I mean if by some chance, he isn't lying the oh well, I made a mistake. But even if he is, he needs to learn some manners, and learn not to flame like some ignorant little child.

[vSkyzv]

He is a Phony Soldier.

ROFL! I hope Rush doesn't copyright that phrase.

[vSkyzv]

How dare I what? I'm not a disgrace to America, it would've made more sense if you said I was disgraced to be a part of something so STUPID. I never said the forces were hypocritical, but the image of "America" quite certainly is. I take more pride than anyone else in this country, we are talking about this so called "war" being JUSTIFIED or NOT. It isn't even a effing war, all we do is go overpower women & kids. You're really brainwashed man, why don't you go look at the statistics for the amount of people that commit suicide upon arriving home. What do you think causes them to do it? ..their happy family back home? Lol, as far as the military being volunteer.. I volunteered, and I will finish my term successfully. What I have done, and will do for this country is a lot better than what you do for it now. You don't believe me, someone who's been there and seen EVERYTHING, yet you want to believe FOX News, lol. K, come enlist -- I'll put in a good word for you so they go easy on you in bootcamp & let you play pawngame (jokes) =b

The Qu'ran does *NOT* say to wage war against anyone. They say to defend their religion. Strip clubs, alcohol, partying & all the stuff we love in America is against their religion.. and they don't want us to take over their home and settle down. What don't you get? I thought just like a lot of you, but I had to see it for myself to change... I guess I should leave you to your state.

Screw this.. the internet isn't a good place to discuss politics or war/conspiracies.

I won't argue with you anymore in this thread, just PM me if you want to have a debate. I only have a few months left, might as well play the game sometimes instead of wasting my time on the forums arguing with people who only have 'media' as a source.

safe

Brainwashed? I'm not the one posting phony soldiers talking. I do not accuse our soldiers of killing civilians. I do not accuse unbiased news of wrongdoing.

I did not say the Qur'an said Muslims should wage holy war. You like all other liberals take down what is right and launch smear campaigns based on false information

[live]

Guys, keep this topic clean. Yuo can argue in what you believe, just no flaming or anything offense.

[moeLES]

wow u guys have got to chill out man

[USAxWarrior]

Brainwashed? I'm not the one posting phony soldiers talking. I do not accuse our soldiers of killing civilians. I do not accuse unbiased news of wrongdoing.

I did not say the Qur'an said Muslims should wage holy war. You like all other liberals take down what is right and launch smear campaigns based on false information

Actually he IS right when he says that we kill civilians. However, we do NOT go out hunting for them. It's a war, in war people die.

And it isn't just that we are in their country and the Iraqi's are fighing to get us out. How can you explain the suicide bombings at mosques, and durring religious times? The point is 90% of the Insurgants are fighting us because we stand for Justice, and believe that people should have freedom to believe in what they want, and for them to have power over their OWN LIVES. This goes against their beliefs, and therefore, everyone who doesn't believe in exactly what they say.

[Pooshonmyshoos]

Actually he IS right when he says that we kill civilians. However, we do NOT go out hunting for them. It's a war, in war people die.

And it isn't just that we are in their country and the Iraqi's are fighing to get us out. How can you explain the suicide bombings at mosques, and durring religious times? The point is 90% of the Insurgants are fighting us because we stand for Justice, and believe that people should have freedom to believe in what they want, and for them to have power over their OWN LIVES. This goes against their beliefs, and therefore, everyone who doesn't believe in exactly what they say.

Theire beliefs are Phony. No other bible says "kill americans" or kill anyone, or wage war, or any type of violence like theres. ITs fake, I don't bash other regions but when your religion is100% BS I will bash it.

[LiveWire]

um ok but they have been brought up by there religin so when ppl invade and poush there bilifes on them well they fight back for what they think is right

dont get mad at if i am wrong i am 15 and i didt real much of this thread cuz its to long

and i tink no 1 should belive in stuipid "gods" of any type .... cuz it dose not make sents it was righten along time ago and most of the "storys" are dum and make know sents and could not happin in life there is no proof in the bible about how they think life started by atom and eav and all that crap sci is the way to go they have proof of what happend whail the bible dose not so i have a sign for u http://i21.tinypic.com/287f2gh.jpg

[USAxWarrior]

Theire beliefs are Phony. No other bible says "kill americans" or kill anyone, or wage war, or any type of violence like theres. ITs fake, I don't bash other regions but when your religion is100% BS I will bash it.

Um poosh, not to be rude or anything, but did you pull that out of your ***? Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it say anything about killing non-believers. They even recognise and praise christians and jews for believing in the SAME GOD. They just bellieve that Islam is the final word of God, just as we believe Christianity is the last workings of God.

And secondly its not their Bible. The Bible is a completly different book. It is called, in the English translationg The Koran. Learn that name, you will be hearing about it alot. And secondly if you critisize a religion, make sure you actually know the beliefs of the religion you are talking about. If you don't at least do that, you will continue making ignorant comments like the one above.

[moeLES]

XD LOL i love that pic and anyways were taking about wars not gods

[greb]

Um poosh, not to be rude or anything, but did you pull that out of your ***? Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it say anything about killing non-believers. They even recognise and praise christians and jews for believing in the SAME GOD. They just bellieve that Islam is the final word of God, just as we believe Christianity is the last workings of God.

And secondly its not their Bible. The Bible is a completly different book. It is called, in the English translationg The Koran. Learn that name, you will be hearing about it alot. And secondly if you critisize a religion, make sure you actually know the beliefs of the religion you are talking about. If you don't at least do that, you will continue making ignorant comments like the one above.

I think he actually meant something different than what he said. By the sound of it, i think hes trying to say that it doesn't say anywhere in the Koran to kill Americans or non-believer's. Might have just not come out right.

[flamedruid]

Actually he IS right when he says that we kill civilians. However, we do NOT go out hunting for them. It's a war, in war people die.

And it isn't just that we are in their country and the Iraqi's are fighing to get us out. How can you explain the suicide bombings at mosques, and durring religious times? The point is 90% of the Insurgants are fighting us because we stand for Justice, and believe that people should have freedom to believe in what they want, and for them to have power over their OWN LIVES. This goes against their beliefs, and therefore, everyone who doesn't believe in exactly what they say.

Before you post, make sure to check, double check, check a third time, and then resolve. Because this is making no sence the more i read these posts.
How the hell would you know they wanna be under a democracy? Don't you think they enjoy being under dictatorship? Just because America has brainwashed you, doesn't mean it has demorilized your ability to think. Actions speak louder then words? Since when..Since we invaded them, and started a whole war against terrorism, and since when did we actually get involved in a war that has been justified? I must make these clarifications to the most accurate perspective. And since when did Wikipedia become the most reliable source? You know i can completely change that paragraph without consequence? Wow, big deal. A change of reality on a web page that gets updated by false reports everyday.
And also, you talk about some flag that represents a free home, "America" and how this guy disgraces it. Well, if you were smart enough to realize, America doesn't have a disgraceful being in its contents. You want my opinion? I tent to know whats right and wrong, i can reconnect the future seconds before it happens. And this war is just a hole with spikes in it. Big deal right? We fight terrorism, "lets go out and kill everyone in that puny country because we can!" Theres my opinion on what you guys are arguing for. Want more? Sure! Here we got, the press is about lies. The media is about lies. The democrocy of this country does not want to be there now. Why? Because we all know, that Bush is not a good leader. Lets head back a few years, the irony of this war, Iraq has the most percentage of oil in the world, bush owns an oil company. Still not convinced? Well bush's father, bush senior did the EXACT same thing. Still not? Well thats all i got. Maybe if i look into more "coincedences" then maybe we can chat more about this pointless, and meaningless of killing our own people for some moron who is power hungry war.

[Pooshonmyshoos]

Before you post, make sure to check, double check, check a third time, and then resolve. Because this is making no sence the more i read these posts.
How the hell would you know they wanna be under a democracy? Don't you think they enjoy being under dictatorship? Just because America has brainwashed you, doesn't mean it has demorilized your ability to think. Actions speak louder then words? Since when..Since we invaded them, and started a whole war against terrorism, and since when did we actually get involved in a war that has been justified? I must make these clarifications to the most accurate perspective. And since when did Wikipedia become the most reliable source? You know i can completely change that paragraph without consequence? Wow, big deal. A change of reality on a web page that gets updated by false reports everyday.
And also, you talk about some flag that represents a free home, "America" and how this guy disgraces it. Well, if you were smart enough to realize, America doesn't have a disgraceful being in its contents. You want my opinion? I tent to know whats right and wrong, i can reconnect the future seconds before it happens. And this war is just a hole with spikes in it. Big deal right? We fight terrorism, "lets go out and kill everyone in that puny country because we can!" Theres my opinion on what you guys are arguing for. Want more? Sure! Here we got, the press is about lies. The media is about lies. The democrocy of this country does not want to be there now. Why? Because we all know, that Bush is not a good leader. Lets head back a few years, the irony of this war, Iraq has the most percentage of oil in the world, bush owns an oil company. Still not convinced? Well bush's father, bush senior did the EXACT same thing. Still not? Well thats all i got. Maybe if i look into more "coincedences" then maybe we can chat more about this pointless, and meaningless of killing our own people for some moron who is power hungry war.


I make sure to check when Wikipedia Entires are updated and always check whats changed so yeah for an experience used like me it is reliable because you can't edit something on wikipedia without valid proof or it gets changed back.


If the war was 100% about Oil how come Bill Clinton called airstrikes, and congress passed ligitations against Iraq 7 years after Senior bush but 3 years before Bush junior?

You can;t say they don't want to be freed, most of them do, there is only a small percentage of idiots stupid enough to believe in the koran. No one wants a dictatorship, they are human just like you and you don't want to be ruled by one moron, and niether do they. If they like it they are brainwashed,power whores, or terrorists. If they LOVED saddam so much how come they seemed really happen when his statue was fallen. ^.^ http://youtube.com/watch?v=wss_urnuB7o

When you back up everything you said, then we can talk.

[Ymmuri]

Wow this thread is gettin pretty angry-ish :confused:

[flamedruid]

Oh wow, did i actually wright that? Damn i must have been wicked tired to remember. But i do remember wrighting something about this topic :|

W.e, Ok, you have proof on proof, but that doesn't make wikipedia anymore reliable. I can get proof on how the US is being the terrorist in Iraq, making it most likely a complete lie, and it'll still be there. I'm not going to, only because i do have just enough respect for some stupid piece of cloth to not give it a bad name. But its only checked daily. Do you know by whom your getting your information from? more then 67% more or less will say the government. Ofcourse, reliability is a change, and you never stopped my arguement when i said this war was unjustified.

Damn i change the subject to much -.-

~Edited~

[vSkyzv]

um ok but they have been brought up by there religin so when ppl invade and poush there bilifes on them well they fight back for what they think is right

dont get mad at if i am wrong i am 15 and i didt real much of this thread cuz its to long

and i tink no 1 should belive in stuipid "gods" of any type .... cuz it dose not make sents it was righten along time ago and most of the "storys" are dum and make know sents and could not happin in life there is no proof in the bible about how they think life started by atom and eav and all that crap sci is the way to go they have proof of what happend whail the bible dose not so i have a sign for u

It is protected to say religion is stupid but to say people who follow one is really offensive. You wouldn't like it if I said Atheists are stupid. God punished you by making you NOT SPELL RIGHT! Who cares if the bible is based on mostly on fictional stories. The bible teaches us and hateful people like you to be good, not steal, treat others fairly, and be loving.

[Khalsa]

Less like war, more like a well planned conspiracy.

Take the pentagon incident which occurred on the same day the towers were wiped out. A Boeing 757 weighing around sixty tons (also filled with 5,300 gallons of fuel) simply vanished into thin air twenty minutes after the collision. How so? Buildings cannot gobble up planes, so where was the entire wreckage? They could not find wreckage, yet somehow they identified so many remains of passengers on the plane that hit the WTC, and also found unburned passports of the hijackers, lol. They said the jumbo jet flew in at about 500+ MPH (only two feet above the ground ), and you have to be a genuine idiot to believe that could even take place without causing turbulence and destruction all around. Also, people claim the plane skidded prior to smashing into the pentagon, yet there were not any skid marks? The most evident thing were the images of the pentagon; the huge 757 made a tiny perfect circle, the wings and tail did not even leave a single scratch on the wall. That is hundred percent grade-A propaganda. Here (http://www.elchulo.net/files/pentagon.swf) is a link to the infamous flash file circulating the internet which delineates this conspiracy in full detail, in addition to facts from accurate sources (unlike Wikipedia). It is somewhat doubtful to say it was a missile, but it is positive to declare that it was not a Boeing 757 that hit the pentagon.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6557/conspiracyio2.jpg


I am disgusted by the lack of knowledge that is illustrated in some of your hateful comments.

Theire beliefs are Phony. No other bible says "kill americans" or kill anyone, or wage war, or any type of violence like theres. ITs fake, I don't bash other regions but when your religion is100% BS I will bash it.
Can somebody say racist? How does everyone let comments like this pass around here? First, you openly declare their beliefs are phony, then you proceed by calling the second-largest religion in the world "100% BS." Christianity actually does not differ too much from Islam, so on the whole, you are really just referring to Christianity as BS too, right? Their holy book (Qur'an) does not state anywhere to "kill americans, or wage war," it does however state in one of it's verses to "fight against injustice and oppression." To fight against injustice and oppression, is that not self-defense?

In regards of the Saddam clip you linked: the majority of Muslims did not hate him, their religion is divided into two main sects and the differing division of people despised him. Do you know why? He was loved when he fought for his people, and he was hated when he brought oppression upon them. The war was vindicated up till Saddam lost his throne, but America has just been the new oppressor every day after that. Since you keep clips like this in the back of your head, then why not the clips in which thousands of protestors line up daily in front of armed soldiers and tanks, only to ask American troops to leave? We need to stop pretending to be heroes, our troops are losing to the resistance. Darfur is in a much worse state, why are we not sending out our troops there to help them instead?

there is only a small percentage of idiots stupid enough to believe in the koran.
Small percentage? I'm sorry but the facts say otherwise, and you did it yet again in a different post. How can you just call people of a specific religion "idiots," simply because they believe in something other than you? You are the idiot. Go out sometimes, perhaps socialize just a little bit more; this is an era of globalization and different races and religions are mixing as I write in this thread.


I recommend you people take a few moments of your life to study all other religions including your own, you will then see the resemblance (just worded differently). Their religion actually preaches peace upon everyone, and the Islamic groups of people causing havoc in the name of God are not respected amongst the Muslim community either. If you judge Muslims so horribly because of a few happenings, then you probably also judge all Black people as thieves, every Mexican as an illegal immigrant, every White person as a member of the Ku-Klux-Klan, and every German as a nazi. Pathetic.

I love where I live, but I hate the people in charge.

[USAxWarrior]

You are just an Idiot. Have you ever been over there? No. All you know is what your mommy and daddy tell you. So let me tell you something. You are an idiot (Wow freedom of speech. Looks like those that fight for it, ALSO have it.) And about people dieing....IT'S A F U C K I N G WAR!!!!! (lol go ahead and ban me. But I'd look at my other post beforehand and then make up your mind) So Get your little 12yr old WANNABEE HIPPIE A S S out of your G O D D A M N E D chair and actually learn the facts, and not just learn the facts of the CONSPIRACY..... You all say Bush is an idiot. And yet he is the MASTERMIND behind the biggest coverup in history. Quite the contradiction there isn't it???

[Khalsa]

USAxWarrior,

I have never actually discussed matters like these with my "mommy and daddy." Just because you have Freedom of Speech does not mean you should open up your moronic-thoughts to the public, sometimes it is a good idea to simply keep the made-up crap to yourself. I have never been there, but neither have you; you are only a Reject On The Campus from Loyola College in Maryland (pays to study those who oppose you). How about you stop portraying this image of a macho army-man, you have never gone to Iraq either, idiot. From being born in 1989 (profile (http://www.pawngame.com/forum/member.php?u=27129)), how did you gain ten years of age so fast? (Laugh out loud, you lie a lot.) It is acceptable that people die in war, but this is no longer a war. Are you really that dim-witted, and blinded by the government propaganda? It was war when Saddam was in charge, now the Iraqis are plainly being oppressed so they revolt back like any normal person ought to. I am not a hippie, you are just confused and too worried about maintaining your online image as a rough, and tough army-man.

You barely turned 18 years old, and you think you are some sort of a war veteran (yet I am the idiot, ok pal).

[spr51]

I think we should keep our troops in Iraq. However Bush may not be the best commander for this. If we pullout everybody's sacrafice is in vain.

excactly, we've gone to far in my mind and probly ticked to many iraqi terrorist off to back out yet. Bush probly isnt the best person to supervise this, yet it is the right thing at this time. but WE DID PUT US THERE after interfering with the oil ishue. shoulda let britian deal with it.
*note* i do not aprove of our soldiers fighting for another countrys freedom, but it does afect us if terrorist control a nation. biochemical warfar is within there grasps and was before we moved in

[USAxWarrior]

USAxWarrior,

I have never actually discussed matters like these with my "mommy and daddy." Just because you have Freedom of Speech does not mean you should open up your moronic-thoughts to the public, sometimes it is a good idea to simply keep the made-up crap to yourself. I have never been there, but neither have you; you are only a Reject On The Campus from Loyola College in Maryland (pays to study those who oppose you). How about you stop portraying this image of a macho army-man, you have never gone to Iraq either, idiot. From being born in 1989 (profile (http://www.pawngame.com/forum/member.php?u=27129)), how did you gain ten years of age so fast? (Laugh out loud, you lie a lot.) It is acceptable that people die in war, but this is no longer a war. Are you really that dim-witted, and blinded by the government propaganda? It was war when Saddam was in charge, now the Iraqis are plainly being oppressed so they revolt back like any normal person ought to. I am not a hippie, you are just confused and too worried about maintaining your online image as a rough, and tough army-man.

You barely turned 18 years old, and you think you are some sort of a war veteran (yet I am the idiot, ok pal).



Youre right.I DO study at Loyola. And I NEVER said that I have been to Iraq. And if you read my earlyer posts the you would realise that I SAID that I was only in ROTC. It's not a big secret. And as for this war. I have been studying it for the past 4 years...And about being a REJECT? Ok that's your opinoin. But Mabey you should know that I wasn't able to afford VMI, or the Citadell even with the scholarship. And not a War? Ok I'll use the CORRECT term...."comflict" are you happy. And about all that information, Yea anyone who felt like finding it out could. I don't hide who I am, or pretend I am someone else.


And a WAR VETERAN? Sorry yes, I do talk to War Veterans, Yes, My professors, a few of them at least ARE War veterans. But I havn't said I was a war veteran. The problem with you, is that you think I have told lies. The fact is you only looked up my profile picture, and also the Pic I posted showing my patches( my Fake Combat Pattch[Loyola College])

but although you researched this, you havnt looked through my posts throualy enough. Yes I said I was in the Army...sorry I'll say Army Reserve(and yes I'd be Army Reserv, even if I decided to go to West Point) But if anyone cared to look. I have on my profile that I am in the ROTC program...Reserve Army Training Corps. And in earlyer posts I have stated that I am in the ROTC, and still in school. And as for the whole adding 10 years, I don't know what the hell you are talking about. I am 18, and I don't hide that kind of crap, I really don't need to.

So, what exactly is the point of your post? Just to call me a liar? Because I have not lied on these forums. You are just obsessed with finding faults that you think exist, that you only look for what you want, and not what is actually there. Don't believe me still? Just ask my brother, TwistedMetal/Administrator34. Or how about you ask SGTMAJ202 if he evercomes back to this game.

You say I am inorant, say I lie about myself. You say all of this, but you are wrong. Never have I said that I have gone to war(yes, I have been shot, and it wasnt fun) but I hve never been to war. And yes. I am in ROTC, and have never hidden that(It IS and always WAS on my Public Profile.

[flamedruid]

Ofcourse everytime you try to tell the truth, its get thrown up.

And everytime you try to denie the fact that this war is, and will always be bogus. So yes, go out there. Die, just like jesus did, and for "our" war.

This is not a real war, its just a costume for this so called bush character.
Anyone, and everyone ofcourse is to blinded by their own thoughts to realize this. And the corruptions have already seemed through your skulls. Well, have fun with the whole getting shot thing, i DON'T need to hear it when you tell me i'm right, considering its pathetic you fight worthlessly.

[Khalsa]

USAxWarrior.

You have issues pal, and I will gladly break it down for you. Refer to your previous post (http://pawngame.com/forum/showpost.php?p=145011&postcount=216).
The reason I accused you of lying was because you tried to put me down without reason. (Once more, read your post carefully (http://pawngame.com/forum/showpost.php?p=145011&postcount=216))
I just had to let you know how hypocrite your remarks were; for example, if you have not been there yourself, why would you say "have you ever been there? ..no, you only know what your mommy and daddy tell you."

Totally lame.

I am however sorry if I offended you, this would not have happened if you had simply stayed on subject.

[BrokenGlass]

I'm a Canadian and I don't care!

[greb]

I'm a Canadian and I don't care!

Your army does. All 14 of them.

[BrokenGlass]

Precisely. About 5 of the maybe 60 total Canadians there at one point have died by their OWN hand. Such as falling, etc. Lol.

[flamedruid]

Your army does. All 14 of them.

Jeez, 14 armies?
Wow. That seems to be a lot. Well..Haha. If America goes down, Mexico, and Canada will most likely be one of the following effects: Be part of the take down. Be taken down aswell.

[greb]

Jeez, 14 armies?
Wow. That seems to be a lot. Well..Haha. If America goes down, Mexico, and Canada will most likely be one of the following effects: Be part of the take down. Be taken down aswell.

14 Soldiers. If America goes down, Canada takes a nuke we have given them, and suicides. I mean cmon, why would you want to live without us.

[AmIEvil]

14 Soldiers. If America goes down, Canada takes a nuke we have given them, and suicides. I mean cmon, why would you want to live without us.

True I mean it you can't have Americans, then what is the point of living.

Just look at the attachment...that's how it REALLY is.

[flamedruid]

14 Soldiers. If America goes down, Canada takes a nuke we have given them, and suicides. I mean cmon, why would you want to live without us.

Many reason. And one of the biggest is corruption. :)

[Pooshonmyshoos]

14 Soldiers. If America goes down, Canada takes a nuke we have given them, and suicides. I mean cmon, why would you want to live without us.

Hahahahaha omg that made me roll over and die laughing.. (not dieing but yeah)

[Pieawesome]

True I mean it you can't have Americans, then what is the point of living.

Just look at the attachment...that's how it REALLY is.
yep i agree that is exactlly like the world really is.:)

[AmIEvil]

yep i agree that is exactlly like the world really is.:)

I wonder what it's like in the "empty area"

[USxWarrior]

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[gunslinger64]

I think we should keep our troops in Iraq. However Bush may not be the best commander for this. If we pullout everybody's sacrafice is in vain.thats right he took my idea he has everything

[USxWarrior]

...BUMP...

As quoted above...bump

[xxMetallicaxx]

bump well I know alot of new people signed up since I last did this stuff. What do y'all think?

[skimmy2]

ok 1st i voted yes and also i want to know (whos the canadiean) any ways i say we keep on fighting the war that yes we are wining

i also want every1 to know that we were in the war not for our own gain only to help iraq regain control

[RapidFire27]

no i dont support the war.....u know why?well the president is spending so much money on war materials and all that when we could have fed soooo many people in the world who arent getting nerly enough food tolive and survive healthily.and i'm canadian but i care so the moron who put "I'm a Canadian and i dont care" should take it off.and so many people could still be living if Canada and the U.S just learned NOT to stick their heads in to other countries bussiness.just send food and stuff to all of those poor countries in the world.
(skimmy2 u a moron for thinking that our 2 countries arent in it for personal gain) u no why?just think of whats in Afgahnistan and Iraq.....OIL!lots of it too.I think (this is just me so dont complain) that the U.S and Canada are only fighting in those two countries for more oil......and to restore peace in Iraq and Afgahnistan (i forgot about that)

[skooterdud]

I think that the war on Iraq should be finnished intead of taking out da troops

[skooterdud]

I thing that the war on Iraq should finnish instead of pulling the troops out

[x666x]

no i dont support the war.....u know why?well the president is spending so much money on war materials and all that when we could have fed soooo many people in the world who arent getting nerly enough food tolive and survive healthily.and i'm canadian but i care so the moron who put "I'm a Canadian and i dont care" should take it off.and so many people could still be living if Canada and the U.S just learned NOT to stick their heads in to other countries bussiness.just send food and stuff to all of those poor countries in the world.
(skimmy2 u a moron for thinking that our 2 countries arent in it for personal gain) u no why?just think of whats in Afgahnistan and Iraq.....OIL!lots of it too.I think (this is just me so dont complain) that the U.S and Canada are only fighting in those two countries for more oil......and to restore peace in Iraq and Afgahnistan (i forgot about that)

lol someone is speaking out of ignorance. And if Freedom isn't something that's worth fighting and dieing for then you should have tried living in Iraq and Afghanastan BEFORE we went in. Secondly where's the oil in Afghanastan? Exactly there isn't oil in Afghanastan. If you had brains you'd realize that Afghanistan's biggest exports are opium and heroin.

And about feeding others in third world countries. Let me tell you something. We send more aid over still than over half the countries in the world. Secondly over 75% of the aid we send over doesn't end up in the peoples' homes. Rather it ends up in the hands of Guerillia militia groups who are the reason for the failure of the infrastucture in those countries.

Third where does the US get almost all of it's Middle Eastern oil? Is it Iraq? No, it's not. Almost all oil from the Middle East comes in from Saudi Arabia[not Iraq]. Plus the fact that we import more oil from Russia, South America, and Our own domestic oil, the percentage of oil imported from Iraq is less then 1%. Secondly our plans for the rehabilitation of Iraq have us not even touching a single cent of the oil revenues. All the money from the oil sales go to the Iraqi Government for rebuilding the country.

But what really upsets me is your ignorance. I place the blame on your parents and "better" education system. It's a pity that you can't even use your own national language correctly. And if French is your first language, alors je peux parle le francais aussi. It's a pity how you have been brainwashed by left-wing liberals, Hollywood, and society. the civilians in this world have no idea what is going on there. They just assume that it must be horrible, and must be stopped immediately. They don't care about the repercussions of abandoning a weakened government in the middle of a civil war. They can't understand that we are winning, because that would mean that Hollywood is lying to them, and that the media is only in it for ratings. That's something that they are unwilling to admit. Another point is that they won't go back on what they said. Because to do so means that they were wrong in the first place, and that they are hypocrites. Sure you can say that people like me are the same way. But the fact is only one side is right. And I am on the right side. I have seen what is happening I have talked to solders who have come back from there. Not ONE of them talks about us loosing the war. Most of them KNOW that what we are doing is positive.

I guess my overall message is for you to stop talking out of your ***.

[BigBoy23]

lol RapidFire u a moron i'm on x666x's side man.he's the smart one of this thread.

[MrKflex]

I would say don't make threads like these...there are to many young and stupid people who play this game that don't know what they're talking about, and they usually start fights. this just started out as one BIG argument/debate.

[x666x]

I would say don't make threads like these...there are to many young and stupid people who play this game that don't know what they're talking about, and they usually start fights. this just started out as one BIG argument/debate.

Um hence the reason I made this. Everyone has a right to state their opinion. No matter how wrong or ignorant they are.

And it's people like you that create problems on these. Obviously the mods have no problem with this thread. Hence the reason it's a 5star thread, which just about EVERY mod has voted in so far. Go ahead see for yourself.

[BostonTheBand]

Hello again Metallica.

So, why are we in Iraq then? It's not as if we should care about them. Whatever the hell we went there for, it's finished. Who cares about rebuilding? As you said, the money from oil goes to Iraq to rebuild. Well, then in that case, they are idiots. Making us pay outrageous $3 + prices to help some little country that no one has ever cared about until 1990+ (Atleast I didn't care)?

No, I honestly don't care what you say. Oh and Ron Paul. He's much better then Good Ol' George, or any other crappy Republican [*Cough* Rudy *Cough*] (Not excluding Democrats, they suck equally). Hell, to be honest, anybody's better then Ol' George. (Excluding anybody anywhere near the white house [Cheney for example]).

[Ransacker]

i support the TROOPS fighting in Iraq, so i cant really answer yes i support or no... and no im not canadian...

[x666x]

Hello again Metallica.

So, why are we in Iraq then? It's not as if we should care about them. Whatever the hell we went there for, it's finished. Who cares about rebuilding? As you said, the money from oil goes to Iraq to rebuild. Well, then in that case, they are idiots. Making us pay outrageous $3 + prices to help some little country that no one has ever cared about until 1990+ (Atleast I didn't care)?

No, I honestly don't care what you say. Oh and Ron Paul. He's much better then Good Ol' George, or any other crappy Republican [*Cough* Rudy *Cough*] (Not excluding Democrats, they suck equally). Hell, to be honest, anybody's better then Ol' George. (Excluding anybody anywhere near the white house [Cheney for example]).

LOL??? Are you serious? Really are you serious, or just being sarcastic in this post?
It's not as if we should care about them...Who cares about rebuilding?
That is pure ignorance. Why should we care? Because they are PEOPLE. Why do we have any more of a right to LIVE, and be FREE? Because the majority of America is White?

Oh and Ron Paul. He's much better then Good Ol' George Bush.
Wow you do realize who you're supporting right? He's recieved support and endorsments from the KKK, neo-Nazis, and Whorehouses/Pimps.

You should think again before posting in this thread again. After all racism isn't allowed.

[BostonTheBand]

That is pure ignorance. Why should we care? Because they are PEOPLE. Why do we have any more of a right to LIVE, and be FREE? Because the majority of America is White?


Wow you do realize who you're supporting right? He's recieved support and endorsments from the KKK, neo-Nazis, and Whorehouses/Pimps.

You should think again before posting in this thread again. After all racism isn't allowed.

Not ignorance. Why should we suffer the outrageous gas prices. $3.00 And up is terrible. Oh, the American Dollars losing value quick. That isn't good, you know. About Ron Paul. Did you know, getting support doesn't mean anything. Just because they get support from one group or another means you'll do as they wish. According to you, once they support you, your with them. Doesn't mean it's going to happen. Besides, getting rid of the Blacks and the Jews, would mean a good thing (No, i'm not racist). Getting rid of all the paperwork now and going back to the Constitution. You know, in the supreme court, they're deciding whether or not to (allow congress to) ban guns? Means taking away our pretty little rifles need be we ever get invaded by some foreign country. (Oil's played a big part in this crappy war, $90+ a barrel is just idiotic. The least we need is to get rid of Bush.)

[Strelok12]

lol RapidFire u a moron i'm on x666x's side man.he's the smart one of this thread.

He's the liar and dumb one of this thread.

Seriously.

He respects George Bush,then we respect Ron Paul.

[x666x]

Not ignorance. Why should we suffer the outrageous gas prices. $3.00 And up is terrible. Oh, the American Dollars losing value quick. That isn't good, you know. About Ron Paul. Did you know, getting support doesn't mean anything. Just because they get support from one group or another means you'll do as they wish. According to you, once they support you, your with them. Doesn't mean it's going to happen. Besides, getting rid of the Blacks and the Jews, would mean a good thing (No, i'm not racist). Getting rid of all the paperwork now and going back to the Constitution. You know, in the supreme court, they're deciding whether or not to (allow congress to) ban guns? Means taking away our pretty little rifles need be we ever get invaded by some foreign country. (Oil's played a big part in this crappy war, $90+ a barrel is just idiotic. The least we need is to get rid of Bush.)
First of all you keep stating how bad we have it. I laugh in your ignorant face. First off what is Europe paying for gas? 5Euros for a Liter? that price is SOOO much better then $3.00. Secondly the $ isn't losing real value, but rather comparative. What do yo uexpect a huge economic boom right now? Hell no right now we're on the verge of a recession[a normal part of economics, maybe you should read up on the subject.] LOL listen Ron Paul didn't have to take the donations from the KKK, and Nazis. He CHOSE to. And taking money from an organization that is focused around totalitarian rule, and the elimination of all blacks and Jews [plus catholics in the KKK] is morally wrong. And you are an idiot for not realizing that. That's like saying you don't support terrorism, while still providing them with weapons and money.
He's the liar and dumb one of this thread.

Seriously.

He respects George Bush,then we respect Ron Paul.

lol at least I don't support someone who obviously has no problems taking donations from White Supremacists and Pimps. At least George Bush has morals. Plus Ron Paul's ideas are completely unrealistic, and idiotic. Of course then again he supports wiping out the Jews and Blacks. That speaks wonders about the man's character.--so once again I'm the idiot?! You have truly put yourself out on a limb of ignorance here. Considering you are just a troll. And a dumb one at that.

[Omni]

you should of put a 4th answer in
Yes I support the troops, I dont support the war.

Im all for supporting the troops, I want them to stay alive and keep fighting even if they are fighting for a pointless cause. I dont want them dead so I support THEM not the war