Obama

[microsoft1122]

is obama a socialist or a marxist. mabye a communist. i want to here your thoughts. look at his track record his bills the health care thing and look at his politcs. what do u think and why
no flaming or spamming or racisim.

[Spongebob]

Obama wants to change USA to make a better place for the living people.

[IrishDragon1234]

no racisim.

Somebody in this thread is eventually going to accuse people who disagree with Obama as being racist. It always happens.

[Hamzter]

communism, socialism and marxism are all the same thing, based on the same ideology.
all of this means: "for the people"

plus, your stating him as an extreme left which is isnt bad.
the opposite is far right:
which includes fascism: "for the country"

none of this is bad,

example: Gorbachev was a communist, made reforms, and recovered russia from the suffering from its previous leaders and ideologies.

[WolfHowlz]

He's turning the US into a socialist country. I like capitalism. Bite me.

[Hamzter]

you suck.


you call us socialist/whatever because of our NHS system...

YOU KNOW NOTHING D:

[WolfHowlz]

you suck.


you call us socialist/whatever because of our NHS system...

YOU KNOW NOTHING D:
The view that the government should own and control major industries using the dollars earned to provide benefits to citizens.
www.facsnet.org/index.php

Hm let's see. He bailed out numerous car companies and credit companies.
Now we have cash for clunkers program and he wants to implement health care reform. He is making PUBLIC HEALTHCARE. I don't know about you but shared free healthcare doesn't sound like a capitalist ideal to me.

[Juk3]

I woudlnt bring politics into a flash game. Its'.... very unfitting?..for some people. Many people have different views and perspectives. Lets just say He will make America a better place.....you think you could lead the country with a war and this messed up economy? I can but thats on Halo wars >.<

Obama= Change. For the better

[CrAzYaznSlaya]

Obamas been here like five seconds and everyones hating. He said from the start it will take time and he has already helped us, usually the people the hate on obamas are rednecks.

PS: Good job wolf, he got creamed

Edit: if you wanna diss obama, just get one of those chia obama things. That is the most insane and retarded idea ive ever heard of. Just saying it outloud is funny. ChiaObama lmfao.

[Hamzter]

The view that the government should own and control major industries using the dollars earned to provide benefits to citizens.
www.facsnet.org/index.php (http://www.facsnet.org/index.php)

Hm let's see. He bailed out numerous car companies and credit companies.
Now we have cash for clunkers program and he wants to implement health care reform. He is making PUBLIC HEALTHCARE. I don't know about you but shared free healthcare doesn't sound like a capitalist ideal to me.

the NHS is initially a good idea, it saved my mum from cancer.

Problem is when your government wants to save money so then they can pay for a duckhouse in their garden it begins to fail, which creates these "death councils" to pick those who have the best circumstances to living.
public healthcare would work if money was actually invested in it.

btw can you explain what "cash for clunkers" is?

[AlbertMond]

communism, socialism and marxism are all the same thing,

I disagree. A lot.
There was a time when I considered myself a Socialist, but I would never embrace Communism.
True Socialism is more in the middle than far-left, I think.

From left to right, you have Communism, Socialism, Capitalism, and Fascism, as well as Fascism masquerading as Socialism (think "National Socialism").

As for Obama, he's more Capitalist than Socialist, I think.
He uses concepts inspired by Socialism, but on the whole I think he's more Capitalist.

[Hamzter]

sorry to pee on your parade but....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_left

i had to study the USSR for 2 years

[popo74]

think of all the things that are already socialized. mail, teachers and other things. socialized stuff isn't bad. mean people who run socialzed things are.(not that all socailzed leaders are bad)

[Paradox]

due to the fact I will get spammed and de repped like crazy if I go one sided im just gonig to say im giving obama a chance, who knows maybe he can do some good.

[Hamzter]

this debate has taken a bit of a downturn...

[microsoft1122]

communism, socialism and marxism are all the same thing, based on the same ideology.
all of this means: "for the people"

plus, your stating him as an extreme left which is isnt bad.
the opposite is far right:
which includes fascism: "for the country"

none of this is bad,

example: Gorbachev was a communist, made reforms, and recovered russia from the suffering from its previous leaders and ideologies.

yep he recoverd russia and killed his own ppl
great guy.
all solist type things do 1 thing that is make politicins rich.

[Hamzter]

yep he recoverd russia and killed his own ppl
great guy.
all solist type things do 1 thing that is make politicins rich.

yes, the nobel peace prize winner 1990 killed his own people... [/sarcasm]

and capitalism is just based on greed, with the corperations keeping money to themselves. Whereas communism is where all wealth is shared between everyone else. The only reason that it failed was because humans are unable to be equal.

[AlbertMond]

sorry to pee on your parade but....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_left

i had to study the USSR for 2 years

communism, socialism, social anarchism, anarchist communism, left communism, anarcho-syndicalism, Marxism-Leninism, Trotskyism, Maoism, and some branches of feminism and green politics/environmentalism

WOMEN'S RIGHTS AND THE EARTH'S SURVIVAL ARE FAR-LEFT IDEALS, GUIZE!
Preach it.

"Communism has split the International Labour Movement and has set back the realization of Socialism in many countries for decades... Communism falsely claims a share in the Socialist tradition. In fact it has distorted that tradition beyond recognition. It has built up a rigid theology which is incompatible with the critical spirit of Marxism."

tenchar

[CMD1]

is obama a socialist or a marxist. mabye a communist. i want to here your thoughts. look at his track record his bills the health care thing and look at his politcs. what do u think and why
no flaming or spamming or racisim.
I think he's closer to a socialist than a marxist. All those idiots that voted for him and who wanted to vote for him are regreting it now: his popularity is down the tubes, he hasn't been doing Shiz with the economy, and he "claimed" that he was going to remove our soldiers from Afgahnistan, Iraq, etc. But he instead sent even more over. On another topic, people are overreacting to the war. They are thinking that over 6,000 dead soldiers is an astonishing ammount. I know people are sensitive to their family and friends in the army about this but in WWII, 6,000+ soldiers died about every battle.

[AlbertMond]

I think he's closer to a socialist than a marxist. All those idiots that voted for him and who wanted to vote for him are regreting it now:

I'm not. And, hey: it's better than that turd-burglar McCain.

On another topic, people are overreacting to the war. They are thinking that over 6,000 dead soldiers is an astonishing ammount. I know people are sensitive to their family and friends in the army about this but in WWII, 6,000+ soldiers died about every battle.

Shouldn't have been a war in the first place. The excuses for Afghanistan are garbage at best, and Iraq was just Bush avenging his father.
You don't attack a single country to take down a worldwide Islamic extremist terrorist organization. Let alone, a country like Iraq which was actually against Islamic rule.

[Timeline]

Lol.

Socialist president is socialist.

And for you pansies who just said "I think/hope he'll do well", that's not what this debate is about.

[dasbinich]

Hes a stupid communist.

[Hamzter]

Lol.

Socialist president is socialist.

And for you pansies who just said "I think/hope he'll do well", that's not what this debate it about.

quoted for truth,

plus, the pansies include those who just jump on the bandwagon and say: "he's a commie"

your politcs are all failures.

[greb]

- Bailed out... everyone. Spent more money in a months time than has been spent on both the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. But hey, apparently to get out of debt you need to first triple it, right?

- Public Healthcare? No thanks. My taxes are plenty high as it is. I don't care to double them. You want affordable healthcare, get health insurance.

- Immigration reform. Apparently to Obama that means do nothing, because that's about what hes done. Mexicans still cross the border with ease, and no one has done a damn thing about it.

- CashForClunkers. Awesome, now we get to pay 5 grand so people can trade in their beaters for new car. Where the hell is this extra money coming from?

- Ending the wars immediately. LOL.

- Gun Control. Gun control for democrats means that no one has guns, except the government. We have the second amendment not only so that we can protect ourselves from foreign enemies, but so that we can protect ourselves from our own government. That is why the founding fathers added the second amendment. To prevent the government from taking too much control. Not to mention, no sane military will ever try to invade the US. One of the reasons the Japanese did not invade during WWII is because they knew that a majority of American homes had weapons, and they would be forced to go house to house fighting everyone.

[Hamzter]

before we start another rant about obama

can i just say,

it could be worse:

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/06/18/gordonbrown460.jpg

^we all hate him....

[IrishDragon1234]

Arguing about politics on Pawn is funny. Its also pretty pointless. Arguing on the internet is pretty much like arguing face to face IMHO but not on gaming-based boards. So far every single post in this thread I've read that was directly supporting either side was pure BS.

If you want to have honest political debates, go do it on a politics-based board.

[Hamzter]

Arguing about politics on Pawn is funny. Its also pretty pointless. Arguing on the internet is pretty much like arguing face to face IMHO but not on gaming-based boards. So far every single post in this thread I've read that was directly supporting either side was pure BS.

If you want to have honest political debates, go do it on a politics-based board.

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[AlbertMond]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1032/1401248697_25cad8656c_o.jpg

Quoted for truth.

[IrishDragon1234]

before we start another rant about obama

can i just say,

it could be worse:

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/06/18/gordonbrown460.jpg

^we all hate him....

I think I'd rather have him. If we had him, at least some of his supporters couldn't dismiss all accusations against him with "You just hate him because he's black!". Not all people do this, but I have had a lot of people dismiss all of my problems against Obama with "Your just racist!".

[Hamzter]

he's stolen thousands of taxpayers money for himself in the expenses scandal.

he is unable to support the armed forces in afganistan with suitable equipment

he's scammed the car companies into losing money in the car scarpping policy.

he is a poor leader.

he put the buisness secretary who wasnt elected

he knows nothing about money.

he looks like a gorilla

[zagert]

before we start another rant about obama

can i just say,

it could be worse:

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/06/18/gordonbrown460.jpg

^we all hate him....

agree,agree

but it could be even worse, we could get robert mugabe

[Nick]

It takes time to turn a -Trillion dollar deficit around, morons. And if you think he's so bad, if McCain/Hiliary was in office you'd be bashing them just as much.


I'll give him 6 more months before I really start hating him.

[Calisniper13]

Politicians all suck. I don't care what party or ideology they "represent", in the end they can all go rot in hell.

[Pochitos]

Politicians all suck. I don't care what party or ideology they "represent", in the end they can all go rot in hell.
Beat me to it.

[microsoft1122]

the NHS is initially a good idea, it saved my mum from cancer.

Problem is when your government wants to save money so then they can pay for a duckhouse in their garden it begins to fail, which creates these "death councils" to pick those who have the best circumstances to living.
public healthcare would work if money was actually invested in it.

btw can you explain what "cash for clunkers" is?

and kept alot of ppl from getting the health care they need thus they died cause it was to expensive and the line was long. thats y ppl from england come here for health care u blind fool

[thefieldsofdawn]

i think obama is doing a B+ job.

[Calisniper13]

i think obama is doing a B+ job.

Where in the HELL is he doing B+ work?

[Toast]

Where in the HELL is he doing B+ work?

In the being black department. He only got that half right. Which technically should be failing, but he looks like he passes so that bumped him up a couple letter grades.

[AlbertMond]

Where in the HELL is he doing B+ work?

In America.

[Toast]

lol at the elections being held on 2010, please, do some research before going into another country's arguments. :|

Midterm elections are held in 2010. Hence "midterm". There won't be a Presidential election but all the Senate and House seats are up for grabs. I predict a major equalization of party power in Congress if not a major shift of power.

[Marine22]

he's turning the us into a socialist country. I like capitalism. Bite me.
^ .

[Ryuk]

If I had time I would reload at Kong SD and actually have a debate instead of useless statement of "truths", w/e, this place is not worth my time.

[AlbertMond]

Midterm elections are held in 2010. Hence "midterm". There won't be a Presidential election but all the Senate and House seats are up for grabs. I predict a major equalization of party power in Congress if not a major shift of power.

Yeah. If the Right continues infecting the overly-open-minded Left with their "ZOMFG PANIC SCREAM!!!" campaign, that's bound to happen.

[microsoft1122]

yes, the nobel peace prize winner 1990 killed his own people... [/sarcasm]

and capitalism is just based on greed, with the corperations keeping money to themselves. Whereas communism is where all wealth is shared between everyone else. The only reason that it failed was because humans are unable to be equal.

capitalizsm is great because it makes you have to strive for more . socilaism is the lazy way out. and uder your socialist socity your govt got rich and the ppl got poor. america is not "poor" the avarge poor person in america is better off than 60 -80% of the world. socializim cant say that

[Hamzter]

and kept alot of ppl from getting the health care they need thus they died cause it was to expensive and the line was long. thats y ppl from england come here for health care u blind fool

its free healthcare paid for equally by the taxpayer. It's also the UK's largest employer and is impossible to go down the drain. The NHS works here and theres no such thing as long lines at the hospital.

and no, English people dont go to america. I've yet to know anyone that has left England and move to America just for healthcare.

capitalizsm is great because it makes you have to strive for more . socilaism is the lazy way out. and uder your socialist socity your govt got rich and the ppl got poor. america is not "poor" the avarge poor person in america is better off than 60 -80% of the world. socializim cant say that

*sigh*

watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9Zls2AReVI&feature=PlayList&p=1F04BE64959160A2&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=58

[Xenocide]

He said he is gonna change something i think he didn't even change anything 1 bit.

[zagert]

capitalizsm is great because it makes you have to strive for more . socilaism is the lazy way out. and uder your socialist socity your govt got rich and the ppl got poor. america is not "poor" the avarge poor person in america is better off than 60 -80% of the world. socializim cant say that

capitalism causes slavery, communism causes poverty. stick with socialism, its much happier

[JohnWayne]

btw can you explain what "cash for clunkers" is?

Cash for clunkers is the money the government gives to the economy when the "death councils" slates a person for death.

[Toast]

Yeah. If the Right continues infecting the overly-open-minded Left with their "ZOMFG PANIC SCREAM!!!" campaign, that's bound to happen.

The stimulus bill being pushed through without being read seemed like "ZOMFG PANIC SCREAM!!!" to me. The health care reform almost pulled it off but the people resorted to screaming to have nearly deaf ears to listen and it has been held back.

capitalism causes slavery, communism causes poverty. stick with socialism, its much happier

Ever heard of Cuba? Not a very happy place.