Poll: Is the guard now overpowered?

[charliie]

The Guardian (or guard as it is commonly known) used to be a class that was very strategic and not very powerful apart from in the hands of skilled players. So Blank, with the massive new point wipe, enabled it to stop grenades and gave it a massive resistance to mellee attacks. The recon now takes a lot of double knifes (please clarify somebody) to kill, and it is not just knifes, but other mellee attacks too. So, it has a little defense against nades, a massive defense against bullets (the shield) and is very resistant to mellee. Obviously it can be killed with a recon by dancing around it, but it is very hard to kill in places like epic assaults, where it will invariabnly have friends nearby to own the recon as it attempts to kill it, or to own the assault or heavy as it comes in to mellee it. It is understandable the guard needed more of a resistance, but it this overdoing it? Please vote and post your ideas.

[chinaboy]

yup i think so too
if you have no nades its almost impossible to kill a guard

[Betsinator]

yes it is over powerd you have to gun it with recon now

[Qoobisawesome]

yes it is over powerd you have to gun it with recon now

Lest not we forget Heavy does have the deagle. If you are able to get in close you can neutralize the shield. And at that juncture it has little chance of survival.

[Parma]

No.

Nades work highly effectively if you are good with them.

Betsy, your right you have to gun them, and you do get good chances to waste them with your gun.

They have this class right, its called a Lancer I beleive, comes with grenades, and some wacky rifle were it can destroy Guards.

HeHe, but yea it isn't just needs getting use to, like all updates.

[supaleetshnipa]

Just run behind them and shoot fast with the lancer, wow its soooo easy to kill them.

[charliie]

They have this class right, its called a Lancer I beleive, comes with grenades, and some wacky rifle were it can destroy Guards.

Parma, I appreciate the lancer gun point. However it is still overpowered, and is fast enough to dodge nades if you're good.

yes it is over powerd you have to gun it with recon now

Betsy, try gunning a guard with the MP5 and you will get owned as it turns around and unleashes its rapid fire pistol (not sure of the name).

Just run behind them and shoot fast with the lancer, wow its soooo easy to kill them.
Superleetsniper, i appreciate your point, however they can just turn around and block you again...

[CheepS]

Its not its harder. its just a pain

[FlippysKnife]

It seems overpowered because noone uses mauler.

[supaleetshnipa]

Superleetsniper, i appreciate your point, however they can just turn around and block you again...
Not if you do it fast enough, I do it all the time.

[SnipeMe]

I have yet to play enough to see if it is overpowered but I would like to make a correction. In the hands of skilled players, using a different class would pretty much always be much more useful. It was extremely underpowered. I'll make a second post as soon as I figure out if the guard currently is overpowered or not.

[WolfHowlz]

Takes 3 'nades to take em out. If you have assault or even medic you're good

[Ryuk]

Takes 3 'nades to take em out. If you have assault or even medic you're good
Bah, narb, it only takes 2. :P

If you get a direct hit with your grenades, they take off 60% of a guard's health.

[hchanman]

Guard used to be underpowered, now it's overpowered. In the hands of a good player, even the gun seems powered up now. With guard, a good player can easily cover their flanks. Typically, in my experience against guards, the best tactics against them is to have your teammates or you to grab the guard's attention, then have you or another run around and flank the guard to shoot it in the back.

[ReconReaper]

I actually think that the Guard is underpowered. It can easily be taken down by a Gauss Rifle, or sometimes even easier, a Desert Eagle. Also, strategic and rather witty use of your limited grenades can easily eliminate them. I have thrown perfect grenades right at their feet plenty of times, and eliminated it in one very satisfying explosion.

If you don't have grenades though, and have only a gun, I usually just rush them, and circle them when I get close, so I can shoot them before they can turn the shield around.

[Rockbridge13]

I agree with Parma.

I feel that every class should be able to hold its own in FFA and now the Guard can finally do that. I've won 2 FFA with a 5.00 kd and was Guard the whole game.

You can dance around the guard with just about any class and he still is pretty vulnerable to nades.
Not to mention that he is slow as hell with that shield up so you can always run away if your weak.

You lagging recons and melee-spamming heavies will just have to make do.

The Guard is here to kick yaw butt.

[ReconReaper]

Good thing I'm one of those Heavy pros that knows how to juke the Guard with a Deagle, instead of melee spamming...

[charliie]

reconreaper, it doesnt mean your a pro heavy if you can use a deagle...but yes, mellee spamming completely fails against guards and heavies now. It is better to use deagle, because not only does it do more damage to heavies and guards normally, it also does more energy damage through the shield, lowering the shield quicker as it is designed to pwn heavy armour. I think the ratio is something like 60% dispersed, 40% hits shield counted as heavy armour and the damage taken off energy. 0 energy means no more shield holding :P

[Jmoney]

I don't believe they are over powered, they still have a speed problem and are very vulnerable to grenades.
Yes they are hard to kill with recon, however if you get good enough with the machine gun its not that hard.

[ReconReaper]

reconreaper, it doesnt mean your a pro heavy if you can use a deagle...but yes, mellee spamming completely fails against guards and heavies now. It is better to use deagle, because not only does it do more damage to heavies and guards normally, it also does more energy damage through the shield, lowering the shield quicker as it is designed to pwn heavy armour. I think the ratio is something like 60% dispersed, 40% hits shield counted as heavy armour and the damage taken off energy. 0 energy means no more shield holding :P

I didn't necessarily mean that I use the Deagle, I meant that I know HOW to use it, and I know how to use it RIGHT.

[HvyGnnr]

No.

Nades work highly effectively if you are good with them.

Betsy, your right you have to gun them, and you do get good chances to waste them with your gun.

They have this class right, its called a Lancer I beleive, comes with grenades, and some wacky rifle were it can destroy Guards.

HeHe, but yea it isn't just needs getting use to, like all updates.

ya seriously guys, quit your wining. Lancer owns guards, thats what its made for and all you have to do with any other class is go around the shield or nade the sh** out of it

LANCER FTW

[SnipeMe]

I've played a bit more and have seen that the guard is definitly not overpowered or underpowered. It's perfect. Nades are a major weakness and lancers can easily cause problems. A pro guard can avoid the nades but for the most part, the pro won't escape the nades radiuscompletely and will still get some damage dealt to them which is perfectly fine. The nades will still kill the pro guards eventually and pros with other classes take just as long to die if not longer.

[Riswald]

Ok well the guard can be killed easily by multiple ways;
1. 2 nades thrown at the guard and KAPOW! Its dead.
2. a lancer that takes two shots at this big obstacle dies.
3. and assult that can move quickly can kill the guard with its gun
4. Depending if the guard has skill or ot a heavy with a pistol can take down a guard but not without taking heavy damage, if the guard uses the shield well the heavy has no chance.

[SLAGATHOR]

Should be effected by melee attacks to 20-25%. Not 10.

[Tobyman]

Lancer just really really fails..

[bluebasset]

they are way overpowered now but should take 1 nade and melee to kill

[digitalpixel]

yeah! its overpowered...notice that the heavy armored (guard and uh... heavy) is almost invulnerable to melees. sigh, poor recons. also its mc btw.
the real mc - mc out!