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arabftw123
03-07-2009, 02:04 PM
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090302/NEWS/90302057/1001/NEWS

Child care providers or parents who allow children access to pornography would be guilty of child abuse and listed on the state's child abuse registry, under legislation being considered by lawmakers.

Some critics say the bill could be interpreted so broadly that even a child who sneaks a peek at a Playboy Magazine could push parents into legal turmoil. The legislation is not clear on whether it includes explicit material a child might discover on the Internet. And critics note other laws already hold parents accountable for failing to provide care that could prevent children from harm.
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Supporters contend that a loophole exempts guardians or parents from a law against the dissemination of obscene material to minors. Access to pornography puts children at greater risk for sexual abuse as well as psychological and emotional harm.

Several lawmakers said today that they will work aggressively this year to pass the bill. The two sides are likely to collide Tuesday when the bill, House File 443, is considered in a House subcommittee.

"This would have the state intervening in families every time a parent drops their guard," said Randall Wilson, the legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union of Iowa. "You have adolescent hormones raging here, you have curiosity and I think, truth be told, you would find that a whole lot of kids would qualify as children in need of assistance who belong to perfectly normal families."

Kathy Lowenberg, director of Counseling for Growth & Healing in Iowa City, wrote to lawmakers last month outlining the flaws in the law and the harm she believes it's causing Iowa children. Lowenberg said she's treated more than 100 children who have been sexually assaulted and that, in most cases, pornography played a pivotal role in the abuse.

Lowenberg said today that Iowa's current law essentially prohibits human service workers from opening an abuse investigation when they are faced with evidence that children are being exposed to obscene material unless other allegations of abuse are made.

"This legislation isn't the icing on the cake. It's the cake," Lowenberg said. "We have to have it."

The intent of the proposal is to reserve the law for only the most serious cases where parents or guardians subject children to obscene material that is considered hard core, said Rep. Kurt Swaim, D-Bloomfield, who said he will do everything he can to get the bill passed this year.

"There's been concern on the part of some legislators that if there were inadvertent viewing of material that it might cause some problems but that's not the intent of the law," Swaim said. "The intent is to get at hard pornography and things that there should be no reasonable basis for a child to look at."

The bill was introduced last week by lawmakers after child counselors, including Lowenberg, made some of them aware of the issue. A companion bill, Senate File 271, was also introduced last week.

Sen. Becky Schmitz, D-Fairfield, acknowledged that the current proposals in the House and Senate do not clearly answer questions such as what happens if a child views obscene material from a home computer without the parent's knowledge.

"As I say, we need to do a lot more discussion and be a little more specific about what we mean and the ramifications of it," Schmitz said.

Details of House File 433

ABUSE CHARGE: A parent, guardian or other custodian that allows a child direct or indirect access to obscene material could be found guilty of child abuse.

REGISTRY: People guilty of a violation could be required to be listed on the state's child abuse registry.

OBSCENITY: State law defines obscene material as "any material depicting or describing the genitals, sex acts, masturbation, excretory functions or sadomasochistic abuse which the average person, taking the material as a whole and applying contemporary community standards with respect to what is suitable material for minors, would find appeals to the prurient interest and is patently offensive; and the material, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, scientific, political or artistic value."

CURRENT LAW: Iowa law prohibits any person other than a parent or guardian of a minor from knowingly disseminating obscene material. People who committee the crime face serious misdemeanor charges. Parents are exempted over concerns that those who attempt even misguided sex education should not be subjected to criminal proceedings, according to an analysis of the law by Daniel Bray, an Iowa City attorney and former state representative. Bray outlined the law in a letter last month to lawmakers, advocating for the exemption to be closed.

TUESDAY: A House Labor subcommittee will discuss the bill in a public meeting that begins at 11:30 a.m. in the House Lobbyist Lounge.Discuss.

Eiliosdraye
03-07-2009, 02:06 PM
Wtf .

Dylan
03-07-2009, 02:11 PM
If they pass this, my mom's screwed, cuz there's no way in hell she can stop me from searching for anything on the internet if I really wanted to.

CMD1
03-07-2009, 02:13 PM
If they pass this, my mom's screwed, cuz there's no way in hell she can stop me from searching for anything on the internet if I really wanted to.
Same here.
And they can't stop teens from doing the natural thing.
They're just over reacting.

Cobra
03-07-2009, 02:13 PM
this is total BULL like i said, its impossible to do this, everything HAS ACCESS. ipods, phones, computers, tv, magazines, ect..

wut
03-07-2009, 02:14 PM
My parents don't know about the porn I have seeing as its on a flash drive.

So,

my parents are fine.

CMD1
03-07-2009, 02:16 PM
this is total BULL like i said, its impossible to do this, everything HAS ACCESS. ipods, phones, computers, tv, magazines, ect..
Life is going to be boring as hell if it is passed.

Dylan
03-07-2009, 02:16 PM
My parents don't know about the porn I have seeing as its on a flash drive.

So,

my parents are fine.
Not to mention you can jack someones iPhone and search it up.

This law has to be a worst idea since the Slave Codes.

th3mast3r
03-07-2009, 02:35 PM
Wowwwwwwwwww. That is just stupid. You can't stop teens from pleasuring themselves..

Lol but some parents are fine with their kid watching porn, like my friend's, he got caught watching porn and all his dad said was

"Look, its ok to watch porn, I did it as a kid too. Just don't do it on the family computer, your younger brothers might see it." lol.

HellsRazor
03-07-2009, 02:36 PM
Wowwwwwwwwww. That is just stupid. You can't stop teens from pleasuring themselves..

Lol but some parents are fine with their kid watching porn, like my friend's, he got caught watching porn and all his dad said was

"Look, its ok to watch porn, I did it as a kid too. Just don't do it on the family computer, your younger brothers might see it." lol.

Lol,what an awesome dad...
*dreaming*

luka102
03-07-2009, 02:40 PM
Good thing i'm in Canada :p

Ravin
03-07-2009, 03:01 PM
Good thing I live in England.

This so-called law is bullshet. Wouldn't stop ANYONE watching and jacking off to porn.

wut
03-07-2009, 03:03 PM
Good thing I live in England.

This so-called law is bullshet. Wouldn't stop ANYONE watching and jacking off to porn.

HEY!

Keep it clean.

Its called Fapping.

Da2Shae
03-07-2009, 03:07 PM
"This would have the state intervening in families every time a parent drops their guard," said Randall Wilson, the legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union of Iowa. "You have adolescent hormones raging here...."

Adolescent hormones indeed...

One more reason I cant wait to turn 18...

maggerz
03-07-2009, 03:20 PM
I don't save my porn, i watch it online. So my parents are safe.

Timeline
03-07-2009, 03:29 PM
I don't save my porn, i watch it online. So my parents are safe.

Well if you really get down to it, regardless of what you have saved, or even if you have deleted your history, your hard drive can be dissected to find every action ever made on your computer, including websites that it went to.

poe101591
03-07-2009, 03:55 PM
lol, this reminds me, my dad never locked the adult channels he had on his satellite :rolleyes:

Even if this bill pass, they will have to find ways around privatizes. What are they going to do? raid a house for porn? Might as well raid every house with a teenager in it....

Jel44
03-07-2009, 04:28 PM
A someone religious had some involvement in writing that, that is what I think.

Hamzter
03-07-2009, 04:45 PM
Good thing I live in England.

This so-called law is bullshet. Wouldn't stop ANYONE watching and jacking off to porn.

woop woop!

you better fap while you can, or turn sterile until your 18 :D

the creepy feeling i have though is how would they enforce it? =/

Dax
03-07-2009, 05:11 PM
Is porn watching a problem? Maybe.

Is it the government's problem? No.

If it were the government's problem would it have a prayer of passing? No.

Fail idea is fail.

DeathsEmbrace
03-07-2009, 08:28 PM
This idea has no chance in passing....well unless they purposly get past the constitution. And how the hell are they going to inforce this mandatory comp. checks. Idea is fail.
I miss the outline G. Washington gave to protect the country, to fix infrastrucure, and to mantain education. <----- Anyone see in there inforce retard laws. NUUU
I hate socialism so much.
Besides I find this an evasion of privacy.

BTM4444
03-07-2009, 10:19 PM
i think the new law whatever thing is not needed. The parents should make the decisions, its their kid not the governments kid or congresses kid. Im not saying looking at porn is right and u should do it but i think the responsibility should be in the parent not the country at what their kids do

vSkyzv
03-07-2009, 10:26 PM
No fear! The ALCU to the rescue!

maggerz
03-08-2009, 06:19 AM
Is porn watching a problem? Maybe.

Is it the government's problem? No.

If it were the government's problem would it have a prayer of passing? No.

Fail idea is fail.

Epic post is epic.

TjHooker
03-08-2009, 02:07 PM
people will get convicted of this as much as people get convicted from using torrents. shouldnt make a big fuss out of this

DS
03-08-2009, 09:49 PM
Lol, this idea is fail. We'll see a lot of people convicted.

Twilly
03-08-2009, 10:00 PM
One word. Or...idk what words, I don't feel like counting, but all I can say is.



SCREW OFF YOU DAMN RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT FAPPING IS A SIN. SCREW SCREW SCRRRREEEWWWW OFFFFFFFFFF. I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU DAMN RELIGIOUS.....censor.......

You do realize we have retards believing in talking snakes running this country.

DUUUUH THE BIBLE SAYS THAT FAPPING IS A SIN SO IMA JUST MAK A LAW AGAINST IT DDUHDUHUDHDUHUHUHUDHUDHUDH


Yeah, I hate you.

maggerz
03-09-2009, 04:49 AM
One word. Or...idk what words, I don't feel like counting, but all I can say is.



SCREW OFF YOU DAMN RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT FAPPING IS A SIN. SCREW SCREW SCRRRREEEWWWW OFFFFFFFFFF. I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU DAMN RELIGIOUS.....censor.......

You do realize we have retards believing in talking snakes running this country.

DUUUUH THE BIBLE SAYS THAT FAPPING IS A SIN SO IMA JUST MAK A LAW AGAINST IT DDUHDUHUDHDUHUHUHUDHUDHUDH


Yeah, I hate you.


Thank god i'm a muslim, fapping is allowed. Pen0rz are considered clean.